TTI headers Issue w/ #3

Posted By: 71383beep

TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 03:27 AM

Burnt another wire...at least it's one wire and not like 6 on the old set of headers I used to run!

Just wondering if anyone else has had issues and what theve done to resolve it.

TTI B Block 1 7/8" headers on a 383 w/ 516 stock heads. Everything else fits fine, but it's like the #3 electrode is almost right on header. I barely have room to get the boot on. I am thinking about a shorty accell plug, but resisting it becasue I don't need shortys for the other seven.

Here's pictures...

Burnt high temp boot

Last one...

Posted By: landon1

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 03:33 AM

i don't know if shorty plugs would solve your problem or not - i considered them just as an "in case" measure, but i heard they really aren't much shorter than the regular plugs - might have to do some hammering

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 11:11 AM

definetly have to run shorty plugs, I just put some NGKs in mine. It runs great with em. TTI warns you about this in there instructions I believe. That's where I learned about it. I also run those heat sleeves over my boots for extra insurance.

Posted By: therocks

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 11:54 AM

I have 2 imch on my 440 and just tapped that tube a bit.I run Taylors and have never burnt a boot.Mine have been on 9 years running regular plugs.Rocky

Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 12:08 PM

This is definetely a boo boo on the design of these. For this reason, I will not buy that header from the them. I had the same problem on a customers car once. Had to remove, dimple, and blow in some coating.

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 12:13 PM

Yea heat it and dint it in OR buy new heads with angle plugs.

Posted By: 71383beep

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 02:02 PM

I wish there was a way to extend the electrode on a spark plug...ohhh well.

I was worried if I dimple these headers the coating will come off and it will rust? Any truth to that?

I'm sure TTI did mention it...I am just trying to get ideas from others whove been there.

All in all they are WAY better than my old headers which threw off so much heat, leaked, and burnt at least 4 or 5 wires regularly. It's almost embarrasing to admit i have a small problem with these TTI's!

I just wish they would have clearanced this tube a bit a head of time. They had to have mocked it up on a stock headed 383/400 and found this issue. It's a whole lot easier for them to do it before coating IMHO.

New heads would be great! But my $$ are already wrapped up in other things so spending 2k to fix a spark plug wire problem is a bit spendy.

Thanks for the ideas though.

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 02:12 PM

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It's almost embarrasing to admit i have a small problem with these TTI's!

Checkout my thread from a week ago.
web page

Posted By: CR8CRSHR

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 08:46 PM

Just ordered a set for my 66 Ply Satellite with 383 and stock 516 re-worked heads. However I went with the 1 3/4's as opposed to 1 7/8's per their/TTI's web site. I will be using the Taylor 8mm wires with protective boots so hopefully there won't be a problem. One question though...how was the actual install for ya. My 383 is out of the car so would it be advisable to mount them out of the car or is it easier with the engine motor in? Hopefully I won't have the slight QC problems you experienced but if some massaging is required and welding cleanup needed then I have that covered as well. I will be following this post to see how things work out for you....

Posted By: VitaminCRunner

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 09:57 PM

For the price of them they should install themselves and

not burn your wires.

Posted By: 71383beep

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 09:58 PM

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Just ordered a set for my 66 Ply Satellite with 383 and stock 516 re-worked heads. However I went with the 1 3/4's as opposed to 1 7/8's per their/TTI's web site. I will be using the Taylor 8mm wires with protective boots so hopefully there won't be a problem. One question though...how was the actual install for ya. My 383 is out of the car so would it be advisable to mount them out of the car or is it easier with the engine motor in? Hopefully I won't have the slight QC problems you experienced but if some massaging is required and welding cleanup needed then I have that covered as well. I will be following this post to see how things work out for you....

Don't get me wrong I am very happy with the TTI's. They went in easily. I installed them with the car on jact stands and the motor/Tranny in. the only trick I had to do was i had to turn the wheel all the way (forgot the direction) when installing either side. After we figured that out they went in very easily with a guy on top and my pushing them in from below. They are still Headers though and they don't bolt on by themselves...

Having studs on the ends helped. And Don't forget about the starter and have it prewired too BTW.

I wanted the 1 3/4" ones but I got a great deal on the larger ones. They were slightly used (never ran)and a couple bucks less. Plus no shipping so I jumped at them. I figure i will go the stroker route one of these days and the headers will help in that regard.

I am afraid I will have to clearance them is the way it sounds. I have a spare wire with a heat shield thingy jambed in there for now.

I will try a shorty plug. IIRC they are only shorter by about 3/8" which may be enough.

I tell ya what though...it's crap like this that makes me wish I had a 340 car!

It's down right annoying to change plugs on this car at times...I love those angled sb heads and the sb is SOOO small compared to a BB in these B bodies.

Compare working in this...

to working in this...

Dare i say i am turning into a small block man...

Posted By: AdamR

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 09:59 PM

Ive installed 3 sets of the 1-7/8" 440 headers and never had that problem. Are all the 383 headers like that ?

Posted By: AdamR

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 10:01 PM

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For the price of them they should install themselves .

The practically do. I installed a set last week in less then 2hrs. Do that with a set of Hookers or worse, Flowtecks.

Posted By: RobR

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 10:03 PM

Dimple it...

Posted By: landon1

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 10:30 PM

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For the price of them they should install themselves .

The practically do. I installed a set last week in less then 2hrs. Do that with a set of Hookers or worse, Flowtecks.

I think my hedmans went in in a lil over an hour - took more time to get everything ready than to put em in

Posted By: Viol8r

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/10/09 11:49 PM

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For the price of them they should install themselves .

The practically do. I installed a set last week in less then 2hrs. Do that with a set of Hookers or worse, Flowtecks.

I think my hedmans went in in a lil over an hour - took more time to get everything ready than to put em in

I went from 1 7/8 to 1 3/4 hedmans.......just got sick of dealing with wire issues. Got a set of Firecores and everything has been great since, even picked up a little throttle response on the bottom end.

Posted By: patrick

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/11/09 12:00 PM

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Just ordered a set for my 66 Ply Satellite with 383 and stock 516 re-worked heads. However I went with the 1 3/4's as opposed to 1 7/8's per their/TTI's web site. I will be using the Taylor 8mm wires with protective boots so hopefully there won't be a problem. One question though...how was the actual install for ya. My 383 is out of the car so would it be advisable to mount them out of the car or is it easier with the engine motor in? Hopefully I won't have the slight QC problems you experienced but if some massaging is required and welding cleanup needed then I have that covered as well. I will be following this post to see how things work out for you....

if you went 1 3/4", you coulda saved yourself a lot of coin by getting the hedman elites--IIRC they go over the steering like the TTI's, have thick flanges and heavy gage tubes like the TTI's, and are 1/2 the cost.

either way, I've found it easiest to put the headers in the car and drop the engine in. another easy way would be to drop the K frame, bolt the engine (with headers on) on it, and lower the car to it.

Posted By: patrick

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/11/09 12:02 PM

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Just ordered a set for my 66 Ply Satellite with 383 and stock 516 re-worked heads. However I went with the 1 3/4's as opposed to 1 7/8's per their/TTI's web site. I will be using the Taylor 8mm wires with protective boots so hopefully there won't be a problem. One question though...how was the actual install for ya. My 383 is out of the car so would it be advisable to mount them out of the car or is it easier with the engine motor in? Hopefully I won't have the slight QC problems you experienced but if some massaging is required and welding cleanup needed then I have that covered as well. I will be following this post to see how things work out for you....

Don't get me wrong I am very happy with the TTI's. They went in easily. I installed them with the car on jact stands and the motor/Tranny in. the only trick I had to do was i had to turn the wheel all the way (forgot the direction) when installing either side. After we figured that out they went in very easily with a guy on top and my pushing them in from below. They are still Headers though and they don't bolt on by themselves... Having studs on the ends helped. And Don't forget about the starter and have it prewired too BTW.

I wanted the 1 3/4" ones but I got a great deal on the larger ones. They were slightly used (never ran)and a couple bucks less. Plus no shipping so I jumped at them. I figure i will go the stroker route one of these days and the headers will help in that regard.

I am afraid I will have to clearance them is the way it sounds. I have a spare wire with a heat shield thingy jambed in there for now.

I will try a shorty plug. IIRC they are only shorter by about 3/8" which may be enough.

I tell ya what though...it's crap like this that makes me wish I had a 340 car! It's down right annoying to change plugs on this car at times...I love those angled sb heads and the sb is SOOO small compared to a BB in these B bodies.

Dare i say i am turning into a small block man...

hmm...sounds like the solution is some angled plug edelbrock heads (:

Posted By: 71383beep

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/11/09 02:33 PM

Maybe for the 400 stroker build in a couple of years.

Who knows by then I might have a real 340 car which will have the same amount of power with less weight and alot more room in the engine bay.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/17/09 02:38 AM

Great pics. Shorty plugs are the answer. We have had nearly a dozen customers with the same problem. Nothing you can do. We do have a variety of heat shields, for 90's and 180's. Go to the website and go to make your own set. It will show you a small number of heat shields and boot combos.. www.customwiresets.com

Posted By: CH3NO2

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/17/09 02:50 AM

dimple it. the tube. Everything needs a adjustment, right?

Posted By: 71TA

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/17/09 03:06 AM

I have the same headers but on Edelbrock heads and STILL tight.

Bottomline they are $$$ and still rust. UGH. NEXT TIME I will go with manifolds or SS.

WHO MAKES SS? I'd pay TWICE what I paid for the TTI's. I think XV makes em but not for torsion bar equiped Mopars.

Could just send these guys my set of dented-to-fit (by the bellhousing) TTI's to copy in SS!

http://www.stainlessheaders.com/customheaders

Posted By: THESHAKERPROJECT

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/17/09 09:46 PM

I have the same TTI headers on my 71 Charger R/T 440 AND I have lots of clearance at the number 3 wire . I never burnt a boot anyware and I run the standard plugs. My TTI headers are dimpled already in that area so there is extra clearence. I have had them on the car for 8 years now with about 75 1/4 mile passes without ANY issues. I wonder if you got a very early set. I also run a Firecore set of wires (the set for stock manifolds ) and they fit good .

Posted By: HealthServices

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/17/09 10:00 PM

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Could just send these guys my set of dented-to-fit (by the bellhousing) TTI's to copy in SS!

http://www.stainlessheaders.com/customheaders

That's a pretty bad azz company! I'll have to email them for a quote on a turbo manifold. hopefully it will be reasonable

Posted By: 71383beep

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/17/09 10:44 PM

Well I went ahead and dimpled them.

What paint or selaer can i put on these to prevent rust, etc.

I stuck with the standard autolites. I tried a shorty, but I didn't like where the electrode ended up.

I can fit a sleeve on there now though.

Posted By: patrick

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 01:35 AM

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I have the same headers but on Edelbrock heads and STILL tight.

Bottomline they are $$$ and still rust. UGH. NEXT TIME I will go with manifolds or SS.

WHO MAKES SS? I'd pay TWICE what I paid for the TTI's. I think XV makes em but not for torsion bar equiped Mopars.

Could just send these guys my set of dented-to-fit (by the bellhousing) TTI's to copy in SS!

http://www.stainlessheaders.com/customheaders

for the price, I don't see why TTI's aren't made from 409 stainless. material cost isn't that much more than mild steel....

Posted By: 71TA

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 02:22 PM

Whats diff between 409SS and other types. Maybe I could ASK TTI if they can duplicate thier headers outta SS.

I'll contact them today.

Wonder what wall thickness?

Posted By: black64

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 03:31 PM

You might want to check out these made by accel to see if it would work. They have ceramic on the boots.

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Posted By: Old_Moparz

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 04:21 PM

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I have the same headers but on Edelbrock heads and STILL tight.

Bottomline they are $$$ and still rust. UGH. NEXT TIME I will go with manifolds or SS.

WHO MAKES SS? I'd pay TWICE what I paid for the TTI's. I think XV makes em but not for torsion bar equiped Mopars.

Could just send these guys my set of dented-to-fit (by the bellhousing) TTI's to copy in SS!

http://www.stainlessheaders.com/customheaders

Thanks for posting that link, I've been hunting around for stainless on line & that website had never come up before.

Posted By: 71TA

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 04:26 PM

Let me know if you find out anything.

Posted By: patrick

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 05:04 PM

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Whats diff between 409SS and other types. Maybe I could ASK TTI if they can duplicate thier headers outta SS.

I'll contact them today.

Wonder what wall thickness?

400 series stainless is magnetic. it gets it's corrosion resistance from high chromium content, IIRC. it has good workability, weldability. most OEM exhaust systems on cars since the late early 90's are 400 series stainless. the Y pipe on my 5th ave ('86) was 409, had a coat of surface corrosion on it, but still solid as a rock when I took it to the metal recyclers in '07...car spent it's life either in michigan or on the california shore, so it had a fair amount of salt exposure.

300 series stainless is non-magnetic, gets most of it's corrosion resistance from high nickel content. it's more expensive, can be polished, bends ok (not as good as 400 series), somewhat susceptible to thermal fatigue--cracks can develop in welds with lots of thermal cycling, much pricier than 400 series

granted it's not as pretty, but I prefer 400 series for exhaust work. it's cheaper and more resistant to thermal fatigue. it can be ceramic coated if you want it pretty.

Posted By: Lefty

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/18/09 05:12 PM

I use these, but I'm not sure you can fit one in there. That's real tight. I'd be expecting TTI to do something to help. I have 2" Doug's on my 440 and the gap is larger than that.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Set-of-8-...bayphotohosting

Posted By: Old_Moparz

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/19/09 01:48 PM

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Let me know if you find out anything.

I sent an email yesterday asking the cost of a stainless set of headers & was told they'd be around $1300 for 304 SS, & $1100 for mild steel. Too much for my budget, but probably not out of line for custom work. I suppose if you had a car that nobody made headers at all for, it would be the way to go.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/20/09 02:53 AM

OK, did a little bit of research. Get the shorty plugs in the same heat range, and use this heatshield on a new set of FireCores !

Posted By: HealthServices

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/20/09 03:31 AM

I was wondering when you actually post a picture.

Posted By: DirectSubjection

Re: TTI headers Issue w/ #3 - 06/20/09 04:14 AM

Wow - guess the angled plugs on my Edelbrocks really helped me there. Never knew.