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Strange temperature gauge issue

Posted By: 67vertman

Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 12:14 AM

79 Dodge D150, 360 CI

Temperature gauge works fine, that is until you turn the lights on. Then the gauge will climb, some times it will peg others times it it goes to three quarters. Now for even more strange, when you turn the dimmer switch up, you can watch the gauge climb, turn it down the gauge will drop. Turn the lights off the gauge works normal. Truck is not over heating. I believe it is a faulty dimmer switch, but it turn the lights off and on fine and controls the dash lights. shruggy

Has anyone run into this issue? potential causes and fixes???
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 12:54 AM

Its a ground issue, been there done that.
Posted By: TJP

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Its a ground issue, been there done that.


up iagree
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Its a ground issue, been there done that.


Ground to what GJ! in the dimmer switch it self, or the temp gauge? They both work.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 03:08 AM

Cluster to dash that grounds through the screws holding it in?
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Its a ground issue, been there done that.


Ground to what GJ! in the dimmer switch it self, or the temp gauge? They both work.

It could be any multitude of places. As these trucks age contact points between body panels get corroded and lose continuity, ground points themselves do the same. It's time to find and clean to bare metal every ground point on the truck. If that doesn't fix it then running new ground wires from body panels to the frame or directly to the battery is the next step.
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Its a ground issue, been there done that.


Ground to what GJ! in the dimmer switch it self, or the temp gauge? They both work.

It could be any multitude of places. As these trucks age contact points between body panels get corroded and lose continuity, ground points themselves do the same. It's time to find and clean to bare metal every ground point on the truck. If that doesn't fix it then running new ground wires from body panels to the frame or directly to the battery is the next step.


Thanks guys! I guess I have some investigation to do. dakota
Posted By: skicker

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 02:22 PM

I installed a set of Cyberdyne aftermarket gauges in my 70 when it was built...no issues until a few years later when I installed the stereo system...

When the volume was turned up the water temp would peg and the oil pressure would drop...

A ground wire from the gauges ran to the engine and not just the dash frame cured the problem...
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 03:07 PM

Sounds like your IVR is acting up. If you think it is a ground problem, a lot of the later IVR's have a tab on the case that does is not connected to anything. I'd run a test wire from this tab to a good gorund and see if it makes a difference.

IVR
Posted By: moparx

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 03:07 PM

grounds are funny things. can't have too many of them, and the connecting points must be clean and tight.
they can also cause hair loss on the top of ones head from chasing them to find the one that is causing the problem[s] you are having. i have no hair on the top of my head. biggrin
beer
Posted By: topside

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 03:23 PM

Dial-a-temp ! Who knew ?

Sounds like it's time to pull the cluster & clean up whatever's creating the feedback.
Might as well look at the bulkhead connections and grounds, too.
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
grounds are funny things. can't have too many of them, and the connecting points must be clean and tight.
they can also cause hair loss on the top of ones head from chasing them to find the one that is causing the problem[s] you are having. i have no hair on the top of my head. biggrin
beer



grin Yes, chasing electoral issues will leave a man bald!
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/17/22 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by topside
Dial-a-temp ! Who knew ?

Sounds like it's time to pull the cluster & clean up whatever's creating the feedback.
Might as well look at the bulkhead connections and grounds, too.


It is pretty strange to watch, I will have to take a video of it!

Yea, I see some work in my future! rant
Posted By: TJP

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/18/22 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by topside
Dial-a-temp ! Who knew ?

Sounds like it's time to pull the cluster & clean up whatever's creating the feedback.
Might as well look at the bulkhead connections and grounds, too.


It is pretty strange to watch, I will have to take a video of it!

Yea, I see some work in my future! rant

If you can establish a grounding point on the printed circuit film ( usually under one of more screws) running a wire from one of thes points to the dash frame is a quick fix. most of the time tightening the screws (cluster mounting included) will do the trick beer
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/18/22 02:31 AM

As I recall that dash has a ground wire. Look at the dimmer switch for a ground wire that should be on one of the screws. I think it is white in color. A FSM will show it. I know for sure the 77 had it and I think it stayed that way through 1980.
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/18/22 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by topside
Dial-a-temp ! Who knew ?

Sounds like it's time to pull the cluster & clean up whatever's creating the feedback.
Might as well look at the bulkhead connections and grounds, too.


It is pretty strange to watch, I will have to take a video of it!

Yea, I see some work in my future! rant

If you can establish a grounding point on the printed circuit film ( usually under one of more screws) running a wire from one of thes points to the dash frame is a quick fix. most of the time tightening the screws (cluster mounting included) will do the trick beer


Thanks for the "Tip" up
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/19/22 10:10 PM

All right, an update after some investigation.

I pulled the instrument cluster and cleaned all the contact points that I could access, I found one burned out bulb, emergency brake light. I also checked the bulkhead connector, it was tight with no loose wires.
The issues was better, but still there. As I was putting the ground back on the battery, I told myself to check all the ground to vehicle connection, the very first one was battery to engine. At first it look good, but I decided to pull it off and clean the surfaces. Upon loosing the bolt just a little, the cable fell off. The end connector was broken in two places. I put a new end connector on. I found one other body ground from body to transmission with a bad end as well. Cleaned all other grounds I could find, I fixed a bunch of wiring connections from previous owners, trailer brakes (wired with Romex wire), stereo and trailer plug that were only held together with twist ends and electrical tape! flame realcrazy

For now the issues has gone away and the seat belt indicator buzzer has decide to work, but will probably get unplugged soon. work

Thanks for all the help! up
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/19/22 10:31 PM

See I told ya! laugh2
Posted By: TJP

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/20/22 01:51 AM

thanks for the update beer
Posted By: moparx

Re: Strange temperature gauge issue - 10/20/22 06:21 PM

how much hair did you loose from the top of your head finding these culprits ? biggrin
glad to hear you have had success in repairing your issues. up
beer
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