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Dana 60 ??

Posted By: Stanton

Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 02:22 AM

Why is a spreader needed to get the sure-grip out of a dana ? Can the area needing the clearance not be ground ? I haven't dug into this yet so don't know the how's or why's.
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 02:27 AM

It’s a delicate dance…. You have to spread the case to get the shims out… but not too much or you’ll bend it. That’s why we like the S60!
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Stanton
Why is a spreader needed to get the sure-grip out of a dana ? Can the area needing the clearance not be ground ? I haven't dug into this yet so don't know the how's or why's.


The case spread sets the bearing preload, you can get worn bearings out with big prybars and beat it back in with deadblow hammers.. new bearings will need a spreader for the most part to do it right.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 02:49 AM

Done a couple dozen gear swaps over the years and never used a spreader and never had an issue. A spreader would make life easier for sure in place of pry bars and a deadblow hammer. I made some set-up bearings years ago and it makes the job much easier. Spreaders are pretty cheap now on Ebay and Amazon twocents

Gus beer
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy
Done a couple dozen gear swaps over the years and never used a spreader and never had an issue. A spreader would make life easier for sure in place of pry bars and a deadblow hammer. I made some set-up bearings years ago and it makes the job much easier. Spreaders are pretty cheap now on Ebay and Amazon twocents

Gus beer
iagree
I don't use a case spreader, never have, never will tsk
I remove the center section by using a pry bar gently to work it out a little at a time and then remove the bearing and shims with a bearing puller wrench, I made some set up bearing like Gus uses and use them to set up the new gears and get the preload and back lash correct and then either press on the old bearing with the new shim stack or with the new bearings and races if their getting changed out with the new shims wrench.
I'll use enough shims to get zero preload with no ring gear on the center section and then add another .012 to .015 additional shims for preload depending on which works the best wrench scope up
i use a plastic or leather mallet to tap in the center section, very carefully hammer up
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 10:06 AM

When I removed the 4.10:1 ratio gears someone put in for the correct 3.54:1 gears, I noticed that the right bearing housing was missing a chip out of it.
Someone really forced the carrier into (or out of) the housing. It was in so tight that even with a spreader it was hard to remove. The carrier bearings were a bit discolored too from too much pre-load.
I did the setup bearings too, but they just get you close, once the real bearings are pressed on, it adds to the pre-load. Same with the pinion height, need to set it slightly low with the setup bearings so when the pressed on bearing expands the pinion come up to the correct height.
The pinion pre-load needs to be shimmed for the correct turning torque when there is at least 250 ft/lbs torque on the pinion nut, so you need a yoke holder and large torque wrench. A dial type in/lb torque wrench works good for measuring the pre-load.
Because the housing was slightly damaged where the carrier was forced in, I replaced the cap bolts with ARP studs too.
I used the carrier shims that go between the carrier and bearing. The clamshell style bearing puller works good to remove the bearings without damaging them.
On the pinion, I used the large diameter type shim between the case and bearing race for pinion height.
Pretty easy to have over $1,000 in tools to do a differential.

Posted By: Stanton

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 02:09 PM

Well let me explain the dilemma then ...

Bought a very nice complete low milage '69 b-body dana at Carlisle. At some point it had some sort of traction bar (maybe ladder bars) mounts attached so there is evidence of the welds but nothing serious.

Plan A would be to seal up the breather, remove the brake parts and give it a very light sandblasting and prime and paint

Plan B would be complete disassembly and then narrow it a few inches.

Plan C sell it and buy a custom unit
Posted By: TJP

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Stanton
Well let me explain the dilemma then ...

Bought a very nice complete low milage '69 b-body dana at Carlisle. At some point it had some sort of traction bar (maybe ladder bars) mounts attached so there is evidence of the welds but nothing serious.

Plan A would be to seal up the breather, remove the brake parts and give it a very light sandblasting and prime and paint

Plan B would be complete disassembly and then narrow it a few inches.

Plan C sell it and buy a custom unit


The welding for the bars may have tweaked the housing, it's unknown history and If you want is narrower, plan C is like going to be the best and cheapest route twocents twocents
that low mileage may have been a 1/4 mile at a time wink
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 03:38 PM

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that low mileage may have been a 1/4 mile at a time


May be but not with the current 3.54's - which were swapped in for the 4.10's

I'm not worried about weakening from welds.

I'll put it up on Marketplace and test the waters.
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 04:19 PM

I have found setup bearings to be dead accurate if you make them yourself and make them just fit as in slightly tap on and off, and use the same brand bearing to assemble. I am not a fan of beating carriers in with .012-.015 of shim so I have a spreader. Check out the Jantz engineering 2 part series on u-tube to see how to set up a dana fast. He made it so easy to get perfect patterns. Carl Jantz also has a u-tube on how to make setup bearings, and another showing gear patterns as you move the pinion in and out. Believe it or not I made a set of 3 dana setup bearings with one Dremel brand rough sanding roll, there are other ways but it took all of 5 minutes. Anyway whatever you decide Dana's are easy done the Jantz way.
Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 04:33 PM

I have a case spreader. Have used it a few times, over the years, to disassemble units that had never been apart from new. I have never put one back together so tight that I had to use a spreader.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 08:07 PM

I bent an 8 3/4 housing really badly drag racing it with ladder bars and coil overs, bad enough that I had to pound the 35 splines axles in with a BFH and a block of wood: tsk: It finally broke the welds off of the ladder bar mounts off of housing forcing me to see the bent right axle tube with it on jackstands: puke:
I replaced it with a cut down Dana 60 housing out of a pickup, I use two carpenter squares and a tape measure with the help of my wife to measure 15 inches out from the axle centers both forward and backwards to check for the housing being bent. up scope That check can be done on jackstands also so you can measure all four ways, up, down, front and back of the housing up wrench scope up :twocents
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/17/22 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stanton
Well let me explain the dilemma then ...

Bought a very nice complete low milage '69 b-body dana at Carlisle. At some point it had some sort of traction bar (maybe ladder bars) mounts attached so there is evidence of the welds but nothing serious.

Plan A would be to seal up the breather, remove the brake parts and give it a very light sandblasting and prime and paint

Plan B would be complete disassembly and then narrow it a few inches.

Plan C sell it and buy a custom unit


I would go with plan C especially if it's got the right numbers and dates for an A12 car, you should be able to get enough to buy an S60 setup as you want . Otherwise if it's really low miles and not ugly inside plan A will be fine.

I bought one of the Ebay spreaders, you only need to spread it no more than .020 ... per service manual ... or you risk damaging the housing ... yes you can pry it out and hammer it back in but where is the metal burrs you are raising up going as you hammer it back in ?
Posted By: TJP

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/18/22 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Stanton

I'm not worried about weakening from welds.


I was referring to TWEAKING as in bending of the axle tubes from the heat of the welds beer
Posted By: fastmark

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/18/22 09:54 AM

I figured out long ago that most of the mechanic shops around here don’t buy the proper tools to do jobs properly. If they get a rear end that makes noise, then they just blame it on the gears and say “ Well some gears just make noise”. I bought my own gear depth setting tool long ago from Mark Williams. That makes setups an easy, fast and accurate job. I’ve never had a “ howler” yet. I’ve done two Dana’s without the case spreader and while it can be done, it’s just not the best way you can proceed. Especially with the cost of a spreader on eBay. I also used setup bearings on the 8 3/4s up until recently. I knew I had several Danas left to set up in my near future so I bought a clam shell bearing remover. Man that is slick. The setup bearings set up a little looser than new bearings. Now days I have very faith that all bearings made the same. You buy a Timken bearing now and you never know which foreign country it’s going to come from. USA bearings are getting harder to find. Back to your original question, though. Selling yours is an option but don’t expect to sell it fast or get good money for it. Shipping is a pain and expensive. Strange has a deal worked out with a shipping company and it cost much less than you can ship. I had a very rare nicely restored 72 Dana with all new parts from our own DoctorDiff. I like to have never sold it. I finally traded it off locally for about $1500 worth of parts.
Posted By: moparx

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/18/22 03:58 PM

i just bought a set of Timkin bearings to replace those in a Bridgeport mill.
they were made in Bangladesh............... whistling mad
beer
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/18/22 04:55 PM

Can someone decipher these numbers for me please ...

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Posted By: TJP

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/19/22 02:16 AM

LINKY
Posted By: fastmark

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/19/22 02:45 AM

That’s the date, with 8 meaning 1968. The B is for B body. There is another number called the BOM number. There is a chart floating around on the internet that can decipher that for you.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/19/22 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Stanton
Can someone decipher these numbers for me please ...



There should be more numbers in that area . , the BOM will start with a 6 , possibly there is a second date code.

That rear is too early for an A12 .
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/19/22 04:38 PM

"I" didn't say anything about an A12 !!
Posted By: dvw

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/21/22 12:17 PM

It's my bet there have been more housings screwed up with spreaders than by tapping them in. All rear load rear axles have set preload. No spreaders used with them. I set the Danas with zero preload. Then add a .005" shim to each side. If you can't tap that setup in to the housing with a soft face dead blow you are doing something wrong. A large pry bar easily removes the carrier. If you are are concerned about hosing warpage you can do 3 things. #1 narrow it and use a setup bar before welding the ends on. #2 straighten it in a large press if it's tweeked. #3 what I've done is heat it cherry red on the side of the housing you want it to move towards and quench it. It will shrink and pull it towards the heated spot. You'll be amazed how far they will move when heated and then cooled. I've welded on a lot of housings. Never tweeked one bad enough I couldn't fix.
Doug
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/21/22 01:30 PM

Pulled the cover off for a peek. I'm surprised the gear set isn't stamped with the ratio !! Anyhow, how does this pattern look (keep in mind that its been rotated numerous times in both directions by both the pinion and the axles)?

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Posted By: AndyF

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/21/22 02:31 PM

The ratio is stamped on the gear, they just force you to do the math. I can't quite see the second number but it looks like 46-13? If it is 46-13 then it is a 3.54 ratio.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/21/22 03:02 PM

Ah-ha !! Yes it is 3:54
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/21/22 09:24 PM

Pinion looks a little deep in the ring. You could probably pull a shim or 2 from under the pinion bearing maybe about 0.030 shruggy

Gus beer
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Dana 60 ?? - 08/22/22 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Stanton
"I" didn't say anything about an A12 !!


No you didn't , "I" did !! , when you said it was a 1969 Dana 60 and talked about maybe selling it .

That said the date code says it's a 1968 model year rear.
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