Posted By: Dart 340
Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/11/09 03:38 AM
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Posted By: mr_belvedere
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 03:41 AM
Depends on the model year. 1968 and earlier used the scheduled production date and the SO # as the body stampings.
Posted By: burdar
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 03:42 AM
You'r saying that the VIN on the dash doesn't match what is stamped on the body? Is it compleetely different or is one letter or number wrong?
Someone could have installed a new dash and didn't replace the VIN tag.
My #'s trans on my Challenger is stamped wrong from the factory. One letter is wrong.
Someone could have installed a new dash and didn't replace the VIN tag.
My #'s trans on my Challenger is stamped wrong from the factory. One letter is wrong.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 03:45 AM
Between this thread & the other one, you really need to post some photos to get real answers.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* - 04/11/09 03:04 PM
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Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 05:07 PM
No fender tag, suspect VIN and no body stamps? Why would you bother? 
Dave
Dave
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 05:20 PM
It's pretty simple really. The body stampings (on a 1970 E-body) would be found on the radiator core support and on the cowl (both on the drivers side of the vehicle). These stampings should contain the sequential VIN# found on the Dash VIN Tag, the door VIN decal, the fender tag, the Broadcast Sheet, the title, window sticker, and any other dealer or factory supportive documents. If the stamping numbers don't match the rest of the items listed there's either (in no particular order):
1. A mistake in the body stampings (usually only 2 digits transposed or similar minor human error)
2. A mistake in the other supportive matching items/documents (pretty unlikely)
3. The car has had some changes made in the past (I.E. Accident/Metal replacement, all out re-body, or some other "unknown" change to the car).
Bottome line, if they don't match and you don't have good supportive documentation to prove whatever theory you come up with, it doesn't matter what any expert advises you, you are SOL on authenticating the cars originallity.
1. A mistake in the body stampings (usually only 2 digits transposed or similar minor human error)
2. A mistake in the other supportive matching items/documents (pretty unlikely)
3. The car has had some changes made in the past (I.E. Accident/Metal replacement, all out re-body, or some other "unknown" change to the car).
Bottome line, if they don't match and you don't have good supportive documentation to prove whatever theory you come up with, it doesn't matter what any expert advises you, you are SOL on authenticating the cars originallity.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* - 04/11/09 06:04 PM
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Posted By: moparmojo
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 10:10 PM
Well if is not a call you own than all I can say is beware! First thing that comes to most people's minds is, is this thing real and or stolen. Trust me that stuff gets around. I would hate to be left holding the bag on that one. You may not think much of it today, because you can get it at a bargain price, but ask yourself why is this so low. If your wanting some sort of affirmation of what you should do, no one here will really give you advice without really looking it over at least seeing some pics. To me, I wouldn't spend much time thinking about it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday things like that could come back to haunt you. Not to rain on your parade, just beware.
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/11/09 10:52 PM
so your saying the state issued title matches the dash vin tag only? and all the body stampings and engine/trans numbers match each other only?
pretty simple, someone had a title for the car the dash came from and did not have the title for the car the dash is now in for whatever reason
Walk away
pretty simple, someone had a title for the car the dash came from and did not have the title for the car the dash is now in for whatever reason
Walk away
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* - 04/11/09 11:56 PM
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Posted By: RobX4406
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 01:20 AM
If this thing is a 69 on car and the vin stampings on the rad support/cowl/package tray/trunk lip don't match the vin, it's got a dash assembly from another car in it as Jim mentioned.
Back to 74 huh... I know that switching out dashes was happening when I got into this stuff in the early 80's on all sorts of cars. Just because the title appears to be square, doesn't mean a car with that VIN currently attached is such.
Back to 74 huh... I know that switching out dashes was happening when I got into this stuff in the early 80's on all sorts of cars. Just because the title appears to be square, doesn't mean a car with that VIN currently attached is such.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* - 04/12/09 02:09 AM
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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 02:49 AM
Joel is wrong if discussing 1970 E-body cars, time to trade him in for a different "expert"
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:21 AM
its an A body Scott, try and follow along, OK? 
my guess is a '70 swinger...possibly a 340 car
my guess is a '70 swinger...possibly a 340 car
Posted By: Jim_Lusk
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:24 AM
I talked to a guy back in the early 80s who had an original hemi e-body (the family had owned it since new or near new). The dash pad became trashed and cracked in the late 70s. They went to a wrecking yard and got a real nice pad out of a 340 car. The knew nothing about VINs or where they were at that time. And, no the car wasn't for sale, it was just a general discussion about mistakes that had been made on cars by their owners. Now, what happened to that car in the last thirty years or any other car that was treated similarly, who knows?
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:24 AM
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its an A body Scott, try and follow along, OK?
my guess is a '70 swinger...possibly a 340 car
RIght on, Joel is the man. I also know Galen, plan
on heading his way in a couple of weeks.
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:25 AM
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Well so far we have run the numbers through for
theft and it comes up clean. Even the numbers for
the other vin build sheet for the car, so as far as
stolen goes etc it looks ok. More to the mystery
to come.
Did it get run through NICB? Local agencies purge records and a car can come back clean while NICB never purges
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:28 AM
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I also know Galen
you say that like its a good thing?
he cant help you legitimize an incorrectly vin'd car...oh wait, he can cant he?
Posted By: MrNormsTA
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:40 AM
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Well so far we have run the numbers through for
theft and it comes up clean. Even the numbers for
the other vin build sheet for the car, so as far as
stolen goes etc it looks ok. More to the mystery
to come.
OH and Joel tells me that Canadian cars only had the
VIN on the Trunk area and the other less know spot for body stampings.
Thanks guys.
Vin on the trunk lip of an A body?, interesting. I heard that if you sand lightly on the passenger door, a big ole mapleleaf flag will appear as it was put under all paintjobs on Canadian cars. Also look down into the space between quarter panel and trunk extension on driver side, should be a picture of the queen of England placed there as well. Good luck on your treasure hunt. If you know Galen, why not give the boy a jingle.
Rick.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:45 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Well so far we have run the numbers through for
theft and it comes up clean. Even the numbers for
the other vin build sheet for the car, so as far as
stolen goes etc it looks ok. More to the mystery
to come.
Did it get run through NICB? Local agencies purge records and a car can come back clean while NICB never purges
Yep, all the numbers I have come up clear through that site.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* - 04/12/09 03:47 AM
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Posted By: nomore65BelvJim
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 03:49 AM
if you ask enough people the same question eventually someone will give you the answer you want to hear 
good luck.
good luck.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 04:05 AM
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if you ask enough people the same question eventually someone will give you the answer you want to hear
good luck.
I guess you haven't been reading along, or don't
really understand where I was going with this, sorry
it I made it unclear.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 04:25 AM
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Vin on the trunk lip of an A body
Yep, some of them;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/numbersMatching.shtml
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 04:53 AM
Quote:Quote:
if you ask enough people the same question eventually someone will give you the answer you want to hear
good luck.
I guess you haven't been reading along, or don't
really understand where I was going with this, sorry
it I made it unclear.
I've been reading along and something isn't right with the number, period!
Trunk lip, pass side about where the butt stripe would go... and the windsor built cars I've had, they all matched the vin too. Shocking isn't it.
Then, what exactly are you asking?
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 05:01 AM
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Vin on the trunk lip of an A body
Yep, some of them;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/numbersMatching.shtml
Barry, unless I missed something, you need to update that page for the duster/demon package tray location.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 05:06 AM
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its an A body Scott, try and follow along, OK?
Yep, caught me napping, carry on
*Barry's site has it right (with the exception of the missing Duster/Demon/Dart Sport (all fast backs) package tray location).
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 05:20 AM
If someone catches me at a show with a numbers matching 1970 Duster to use as article material, I will gladly add a second article that covers their specifics.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 06:30 AM
sounds like you are looking at a '70 A-body (Windsor built?) Title & dash VIN tag is -------- LM23H0Raaaaaa
b'cast, body, engine, trans, is ------- 0Reeeeee
Guess what, they don't match!!
Unless the numbers are couriously close, transposed or some other explainable factory mistake; something illegal happened at some point in the car's past 39+ years. The current "clean" title is for the dash VIN & the remainder of the car has no "legal" title.
Your vague questions aren't helping to get a realistic answer, don't "beat-around-the-bush" put some substance in your post.
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 03:16 PM
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pure genius! that'll make the problem disappear
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 03:41 PM
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pure genius! that'll make the problem disappear
Nothing has gone away except for reading and writing skills in this country.
How can something that's not there go away?
It's not even my problem, I asked a question and
the only "smart" answer to the actual question
was sent to me in a PM. So thanks to them.
Posted By: stumpy
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 04:36 PM
In other words someone emailed you the answer you wanted to hear nor necessarily the correct answer. 
Posted By: NITROUSN
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 04:47 PM
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I asked a question and
the only "smart" answer to the actual question
was sent to me in a PM. So thanks to them.
"smart" = 1-The answer I wanted to hear.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 05:48 PM
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In other words someone emailed you the answer you wanted to hear nor necessarily the correct answer.
Stumpy, we've already determined that just because you live on college ave. doesn't make you smart.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 05:49 PM
Actually it equals the guy with the missing numbers.
Posted By: stumpy
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 06:13 PM
I'm glad you have figured out all by yourself How smart I am. At least I'm smart enough to listen to people with more correct info and experience.
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 06:18 PM
I've helped dart340 before and this is the last time I'll help after this one, seeing that the only smart people sent a pm. VERY NICE and congrats!
Dan (6bbl) hit it as I didn't want to write that much.
And people wonder why most of the really good tech on here has gone the way of the dodo!
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It's not even my problem, I asked a question and the only "smart" answer to the actual question was sent to me in a PM. So thanks to them.
Dan (6bbl) hit it as I didn't want to write that much.
And people wonder why most of the really good tech on here has gone the way of the dodo!
Posted By: 472 R/T SE
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN *DELETED* *DELETED* - 04/12/09 08:36 PM
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One of the reason's Tom temporarily disabled the "edit" button IIRC.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 10:11 PM
Sure, just like your erroneous opinion on how much
better and more accurate mechanical gauges are LOL.
So much for your "listening to people with more experience"
Richard, you are a crack up
RobX, you are not working with all the info. Obviously if it doesn't all match up, it's a
re-body. I was looking for answers as to how
and why, not something was done intentionally
for fraud. It can happen. Stupid? Sure.
Can I be a harsh jerk, absolutely, but
it is when I am dealing with more info than others
have on a subject. I can always admit when
I don't know more, right now, I'm letting it go
so the person who made the mistake can try to
take care of it.
It's not my place to be judge, jury and executioner. Seems like the world is way too
full of those as it is.
better and more accurate mechanical gauges are LOL.
So much for your "listening to people with more experience"
Richard, you are a crack up
RobX, you are not working with all the info. Obviously if it doesn't all match up, it's a
re-body. I was looking for answers as to how
and why, not something was done intentionally
for fraud. It can happen. Stupid? Sure.
Can I be a harsh jerk, absolutely, but
it is when I am dealing with more info than others
have on a subject. I can always admit when
I don't know more, right now, I'm letting it go
so the person who made the mistake can try to
take care of it.
It's not my place to be judge, jury and executioner. Seems like the world is way too
full of those as it is.
Posted By: stumpy
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 10:49 PM
You still haven't proven that electronic gauges are necessary for a daily driven street car. You just spouted your opinion which didn't meet with much of a good reaction. I never said mechanical guages were more acurate than your very high dollar eletcrics I said they were close enough for street use. Please reread what I said rather than what you thought I said.
Posted By: Dart 340
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/12/09 11:36 PM
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You still haven't proven that electronic gauges are necessary for a daily driven street car. You just spouted your opinion which didn't meet with much of a good reaction. I never said mechanical guages were more acurate than your very high dollar eletcrics I said they were close enough for street use. Please reread what I said rather than what you thought I said.
Richard,
No additional gauges are necessary for a daily
driven street car. People like gauges because it
gives them a feeling of comfort, control and safety.
Knowing what I do about gauges,
mechanical and electric, manufactured domestic or
overseas, OEM or aftermarket, yes I can make a factual statement. It is not spouting to state a fact. You always seem to get bent the first time someone disagrees with you, very much proven on that post.
You respond to a person with wrong
information about where his voltage regulator is
on his dash and I correct you very politely, also
stating I knew you know and didn't read it
correctly, and again I'm the jerk. So am I tired
of you spouting bad info, sure, do I care and
make it a public vendetta, no.
I just forgive you.
Jesus rose today, Happy Easter.
Posted By: stumpy
Re: Can body stampings not match VIN - 04/13/09 12:06 AM
My,My, don't we get petty when your feathers are ruffled. Where did I call you a jerk? Bless your heart.