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1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info

Posted By: BS23V0E

1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 07:19 AM

On many Mopars I see quotes of how many of a particular exact models were produced with the same color/options like 1 of 10, or 3 of 20 and so on. Where do you get this type of info. I have a 70 440-6 Cuda and I am interested in knowing how many like it were made. I have seen the overall V code production figures for 1970 I believe there were more than 1800 of them produced. I have known the overall production for years, the exact production of the same optioned cars is what I am looking for.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 01:24 PM

Numbers like that happen when people lie, magazine articles too.

If every option on every 70 Hemi Cuda convertible were known, it would be possible to do that as one example.

Except for the ones with fake fender tags any the made up VIN cars that would taint the data.

If you ask anyone making a claim of 'One of ?? with these options' - Ask them for proof and they will not have any. Chrysler did not track information that way.
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 02:41 PM

Best you can do is one of _____ known
Posted By: ph23vo

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 03:22 PM

MY 69 FURY 383 4 BBL CAR IS 1 OF 20...

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Posted By: BDW

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 04:40 PM

It's a best guess calculation (statistics) based on some "known" info.
Here's something based on colors and models for Challenger
Example:
955 R/T convertibles built
Plum crazy was most popular color at 22.2%
So best guess is there were 955 x 22.2% = 222 Plum Crazy R/T convertibles built that year.

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Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 05:12 PM

Do you know who made that chart up?
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by BDW
It's a best guess calculation (statistics) based on some "known" info.
Here's something based on colors and models for Challenger
Example:
955 R/T convertibles built
Plum crazy was most popular color at 22.2%
So best guess is there were 955 x 22.2% = 222 Plum Crazy R/T convertibles built that year.

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Those are one line item row numbers from Chrysler.

I believe the OP is referring to combining multiple row of options. There are other individual option reports that chart an option per body and/or model type. Then mis-using statistics with bad reasoning.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/23/21 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by ph23vo
MY 69 FURY 383 4 BBL CAR IS 1 OF 20...


Where there only 20 W23 option with your body and/or model type?
Posted By: ph23vo

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/24/21 02:51 PM

yes..only 20 W23 built..and they had exact numbers due to the recall.. only 1 known of the 20 to still exist
Posted By: jughed

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/24/21 02:57 PM

Seems everyone with a scarce car should know Galen Govier. Apparently his name makes collectors swoon, and sellers believe that even mentioning his name makes their car far more valuable...he has the numbers
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/24/21 03:04 PM

Apparently his name makes collectors swoon, and sellers believe that even mentioning his name makes the car's value skyrocket...he has the numbers

IMO in all his years he has done more harm then good. Fools that are not wise to him swoon until they dont.








Originally Posted by jughed
Seems everyone with a scarce car should know Galen Govier. Apparently his name makes collectors swoon, and sellers believe that even mentioning his name makes the car's value skyrocket...he has the numbers
Posted By: Moparite

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/25/21 02:51 PM

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I have a 70 440-6 Cuda

Should have posted more detail but 1755 built, 902 4 speeds and 853 autos. Assuming this is a hard top.

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Seems everyone with a scarce car should know Galen Govier

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IMO in all his years he has done more harm then good. Fools that are not wise to him swoon until they dont.


Say what you will about him but he has done a lot of research to get the amount of info he has. Look on his web site for the "little white books" these things are like gold for info in them!
I have looked for details like how many 1971 road runners came with air grabbers(i have one) but still can't find anything. from what i can guess it's about 1000 but it's not documented. If any knows please post it. You can look up paint and engine combos all day but some options there are no info.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/25/21 06:06 PM

Galen Govier's "white books" contain production figures based on Chrysler Corp.'s "OPTION & ACCESSORY REPORTS" that represent the majority of US shipped units (as of a certain date in time during August 1970)

for example: the '70 'cuda hardtop (BS23) numbers are based on 88.5% of total production, this leaves 2,170 '70 'cuda hardtops uncounted in this report

the only pertinent combined OPTIONS covered by this report: BODY (BS23) / ENGINE / TRANSMISSION / AXLE PACKAGE (if equipped)
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/25/21 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Moparite
................ I have looked for details like how many 1971 road runners came with air grabbers(i have one) but still can't find anything. from what i can guess it's about 1000 but it's not documented. If any knows please post it. .................


the 1971 Road Runner (RM23) report covers 96.1% of total production (13,664 VS. 14,218 total production), 11.2% of these 1971 Road Runners are equipped with the OPTIONAL "Air Grabber" (N96) hood ***** roughly 1,530 cars

none of these type numbers (based on percentages) are absolutes, the '71 RM23 numbers are +/- 7 units, additionally there are ~554 uncounted cars (3.9% of total production)
Posted By: Moparite

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/26/21 12:52 PM

Who else but Chrysler would have such production/option info? Granted some figures may not be 100% accurate. I would think the bulk of uncounted vehicles where exports not for north America. Are the Australian (right hand drive cars) included in those production #'? Between Galen and the Chrysler historical society is going to be the best "guess" (if you will) on actual figures.
Posted By: jughed

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/26/21 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead

IMO in all his years he has done more harm then good. Fools that are not wise to him swoon until they dont.


Shady people will use his name to fool buyers. Still trying to figure out why that would mean much to a potential buyer. They should buy the car, not someone's 'expert' opinion.
Posted By: TJP

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/27/21 01:15 AM

Myself, I find the whole 1 of X thing quite irritating and could care less. not trying to be offensive just my opinion beer
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1 of 10 or 3 of 20 where to get this type info - 09/27/21 01:20 AM

One of mine though..... is OK. wave

The 'white books' are incomplete and have errors too.

So if anyone says one of 'whatever' made, ask for proof.

If someone says 'one of whatever known' ask them what day they were told that.

Registry data constantly changes as the 'next one' is reported.
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