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340 lifter oil passages filled, why?

Posted By: moparmedic

340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 02:13 AM

I have a 71 340 block and the oil passages on the right side have been filled/sealed with what looks like braze maybe? I guess it could be epoxy though. Any idea why this would be done? They meticulously filled all the passages between the lifter bore and the galley but the rest of the galley is wide open.
They only did one side.
Any idea why this would be done?
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 02:19 AM

People have odd ways of blocking oil passages when they do other mods, id be shocked at nothing.

Sure its not a brass/copper tube? The common mod way back.

Got pics?
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 02:31 AM

I didn’t take a pic but I can tomorrow. Do you mean a tube like inserted down the length of the oil galley? It doesn’t look like that to me.
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 02:43 AM

The old DC Performance Book recommended sleeving both lifter galleys with aluminum or copper tubes. You then "dented" each lifter bore so the lifter would slide in and drilled out all the intersecting oil passages. This was done to allow roller lifters as the roller lifters of the day uncovered the oil passage at max lift and you lost oil pressure. The procedure and reasoning for it is in the book. This is what is sounds like someone started to do on yours.
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 03:03 AM

Interesting! I’ll have to take a closer look at it tomorrow and see if that’s what they did. The block has been sitting and is pretty dirty so to me it looks like the holes were filled but what you’re explaining sounds plausible. I’ll have to see if it can be undone…
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 01:58 PM

Doing one side seems odd. Most of the time when you see this in one area there has been a repair made. You will be able to see more from the crank side if that's the case.
Posted By: doctor_mopar

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 02:16 PM

It was recomended in the DC Racing books to block oil to the lifters when using a roller cam or solid lifter cam . You teamed the gallery on one side and installed a copper tube , and then used a peeling tool that you inserted in each lifter bore, and then hammered it to round the bore back out so lifters would fit . The other side of the block , you installed a plug in the gallery . I did this on all my race 340 engines . If your engine is done this way , you could probably manage to get the tube out , but make sure you get the plugs out of the galleries , and reinstall proper ones in correct locations . Or actually , on that side with the tube , you really only need to open the hole back up at each lifter bore .
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 02:39 PM

I forget the old trick but you could do a few things and just tube the one side.

I cant recall but I ended up with a block with one side tubed and other things plugged, it was a X block from a dirt track car that had a reed cast core roller cam in it to show its age.
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 03:43 PM

I’ll clean it up today if I get time and get a better look at it. Thanks for the help! What year DC book would that article be in?
Posted By: ek3

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 05:52 PM

restricted for oval track use.... ?
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by moparmedic
I’ll clean it up today if I get time and get a better look at it. Thanks for the help! What year DC book would that article be in?


I'm not sure the book itself had a date. The individual 'Tune-Up Tips' that make up the book seem to be dated from the late '70's to early '80's. Here is the cover from mine. Yeah, mine is well used.

Attached picture Direct Connection Performance Book Cover.jpg
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 07:18 PM

Great thanks! I think I saw that one on CD on ebay.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 07:43 PM


https://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0908-small-block-roller-camshaft-install/
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/26/21 10:23 PM

Thank you John!
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/27/21 10:54 PM

I finally got to clean it up a little and it has definitely been piped and it looks like the #1 oil passage has been tapped just like the article that John posted. I ordered the DC book so I can verify everything is done correctly. So now the next question… undo it or stay the course and finish the job?
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/28/21 01:56 PM

Are you running lifters that require the galley to be sleeved? The answer to that question is the converse to your question.
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/28/21 03:25 PM

I don’t know what I’m running yet I just have a bare block that I am trying to figure out what’s what
Posted By: doctor_mopar

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/28/21 05:25 PM

You will need to remove/ reverse to run hydraulic lifters . Otherwise leave it .
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/28/21 05:32 PM

I am leaning toward undoing it but I’m going to read the full article when I get it and see if the work appears to have been done correctly and figure it out from there.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 04:44 AM

If you are going to run solid lifters either roller or flat tappet just leave it there. It helps to keep some oil off the crankshaft and if it spits a lifter out you will still have oil pressure. Otherwise you could remove the plug for the left side galley and drill the tube in the right side lifter bores to get oil to the lifters. Removing those tubes, (there is usually two of them, one inserted from the rear and one from the front) is going to be a real bear. Not sure how you would even get them out except to maybe drill them and that would be a huge pain once they were peened in the lifter bores.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 04:49 AM

Find a shop with a older caustic soda non epa friendly hot tank and let it eat the tubes out chemically or at least break them down enough for easy removal.

Also if it were me id get that block cleaned and get a good mopar guy or shop to look so far up it you can see the back of its teeth.

Who knows how hard of service life that block has had and who knows its real health, id check and see if the oil passages from the main to the cam have been drilled and others as well.

Many times when we used to tube we did drill passages as well.
Posted By: John Brown

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Find a shop with a older caustic soda non epa friendly hot tank and let it eat the tubes out chemically or at least break them down enough for easy removal.

Also if it were me id get that block cleaned and get a good mopar guy or shop to look so far up it you can see the back of its teeth.

Who knows how hard of service life that block has had and who knows its real health, id check and see if the oil passages from the main to the cam have been drilled and others as well.

Many times when we used to tube we did drill passages as well.


Caustic dip or even just plain old lye eats aluminum, but doesn't do a whole lot on copper or JB Weld. Doesn't touch cast iron or steel. A gun drill might do the trick.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 07:31 AM

My tank will eat copper, brass, aluminum, any bearing left in a block and its gone. Ive had this pallet of pellets since the mid 80-s.

Not sure what it is, just says "Caustic Soda" Change it every few years 4x8 by 3 feet deep, 3 heating elements set at 140 if I recall right, just shielded hot water heater elements. 2 inch thick blue foam attached to the outside ti insulate.

I can put a tractor or semi tractor block in for 5 days and it comes out steaming hot and looks crisp.

Im sure others have them as well.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Find a shop with a older caustic soda non epa friendly hot tank and let it eat the tubes out chemically or at least break them down enough for easy removal.

Also if it were me id get that block cleaned and get a good mopar guy or shop to look so far up it you can see the back of its teeth.

Who knows how hard of service life that block has had and who knows its real health, id check and see if the oil passages from the main to the cam have been drilled and others as well.

Many times when we used to tube we did drill passages as well.


I agree. never know why it was removed from service or broke down/inspected for mechanical issues.

IIRC...per the Hensley 'Blue book' oil mods I am sure the galley feeds would be drilled to 9/32" and the main oil passages from pump/main cap/block drilled to 1/2" along with a full groove main bearings. I do these mods on all of my junk along with blending turns/gasket matching pump to cap/ adding 4 more holes to the filter plate. also install a couple restrictor plug in block just below deck surface at the rocker shaft oil holes to reduce the oil to rockers.

I would be checking for any of these mods along with the sleeve for solid lifters.

with a transfer tube in the valley I would be looking for any of the oil feeds blocked to redirect oil flow at the #1 main bearing to oil galley( IIRC you block feed to galley on #1 main since it now feeds from main oil galley.

and always check to make sure the core plug is in to turn the oil to the filter. IIRC should be about 7" down the oil sender hole.

some machine shops remove it some don't. so check.

Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 01:21 PM

The one block I had fits with was the one I mentioned in the beginning of this, it had one tube in it and had spun a #2 main pretty bad it self heat treated. I seen the dirt car it came from but yep had the reed core roller cam =, the old school small block hemi rods and it was a w2 head motor.

Its been long enough ago I will look for the pics of what I found was not blocked off on the other side, I did block a passage off that I determined should of been blocked. And although a semi easy life since its still being raced today but not by me.

OP, you never mentioned the bore I dont think, is it heavily overboard? Not that it really matters.
Posted By: moparmedic

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/29/21 10:40 PM

I don’t know if it has been bored yet or not. Haven’t had a lot of time to mess with it although I did flip it over today and the #1 main bearing oil passage has been drilled tapped and plugged like the article said. Still waiting for my DC book so I can walk through the process. I have a machinist buddy that I am going to take it to and have it checked out. I am still leaning toward undoing it if it can be reasonably done. Thanks for the tips on hot tanking! I’ll ask about that too
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: 340 lifter oil passages filled, why? - 06/30/21 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
The one block I had fits with was the one I mentioned in the beginning of this, it had one tube in it and had spun a #2 main pretty bad it self heat treated. I seen the dirt car it came from but yep had the reed core roller cam =, the old school small block hemi rods and it was a w2 head motor.

Its been long enough ago I will look for the pics of what I found was not blocked off on the other side, I did block a passage off that I determined should of been blocked. And although a semi easy life since its still being raced today but not by me.

OP, you never mentioned the bore I dont think, is it heavily overboard? Not that it really matters.

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