Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator?

This wasn’t possible, right? 440 4 speed got Dana and a 26 always I thought. No fender tag or sheet present to see anything.

My 68 parts manual shows a 22 inch 2949053 as a possibility. Most likely a low-line manual had it.

I know of a 69 b body hemi 4 speed with a22" rad support that was looked at a hi end mopar Inspector stats it very possible this car has a fender tag with 26 on it

Interesting. I hadn’t seen a gtx with this before. Has reverse light. Anything can be swapped of course. I see a booger weld on the hump underneath. I had a factory four speed that had a crappy look in that area, but it wasn’t a super solid car to begin with so I didn’t pay much attention to it. Thought it could’ve been bent and rusted over the years.

My last 68 GTX the 4 speed cut out looked like it was done by a 3 year old with a cutting torch. The welded in hump was also poorly welded. Car was original and untouched.

Look like this?

Those welds are fresh.
In person one could tell if it were original or not.

MY gut says not. And without a tag to back it up it will always be tainted as a conversion .

IMO< keep looking

The four speed cut out on my '65 Coronet looks like it was made with an axe. I used to think that back yard bob hacked the car up but over time I realized that they were just that crude at the factory. They didn't care how it looked, just "got er done".

Well if the core support is there then the stamped numbers should be there also so that would be one way to verify if it was original. I'd be surprised if 26 inch radiators were mandatory. Seemed like the factory was always trying to save money by using the smaller radiator.

This site shows it should be a 26.

[url]http://www.mymopar.com/radiatorspecs.htm[url]

I do think the welds look fresh enough to be suspect. Engine claimed to be numbers, trans is not.

ANY 1966-'72 B-BODY (or E-BODY) factory equipped with a 440 and a 4-speed manual transmission SHOULD have a 26" radiator/core support and DANA60 rear axle

exceptions exist but they are extremely RARE - they should be viewed under a microscope & the question asked WHY? and is it a real factory built example or a decades old "FIX" for any number of reasons

Wow, they sure ain't 50 year old factory welds!

No factory guys would under the car with a mig welder in 1969...
The burn rings are fresh and not underseal to dis-guise the work even?

I can just imagine the folks on the production line saying '' some numpty has ordered a 4-speed ''
'' What is up with these morons, they will hate it after a week or two''... (thats coming out)


Have you ever tried doing a hill start in San Fran with a stick car?
What plonker thought that you could use a floor 'parking brake' with a stick car...

Four speed humps were factory welded in from the top. Welds on the underside would not be original. And FWIW overhead welds take skill so if done by an unskilled welder, they will look like sh!t.

Basically yes, except your picture has fresher welds.

The 68 parts manual also shows Full size Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge with the 440 having a 2898063 radiator with the 22 inch core. So yes the GTX could have a 22 inch according to the parts manual. As said if you were a betting man the 26 should win the bet. However there is no doubt they are out there. It would be nice to have more information to back it up. The radiator may have numbers that could help prove or un-prove its originality.

Also, In 1968 the block matches the sequence number on the fender tag NOT the vin correct ?
Same goes for the body numbers stamped in the radiator support / trunk lip ?

It also shows the B body 440 having the 22 inch. So could or should can be looked at as either or. That is someones spread sheet. The factory manual shows it but makes no mention of transmission. Unless that radiator was made with the cooler and sold in either application.

umm, the bad guys in "Bullet" ?

Just as Andy F said ... Even without a fender tag or a build sheet I would check to see if the stamping on the trunk lip matches the radiator support number.

The number on my original '68 RR from Lynch Road A8R279740 on both the radiator support and he trunk lip

A = Lynch Road built
8 = model year
R = body style (Belvedere)
279740 = Shipping Order #

The location of the radiator support frame should be upside down facing the engine and stamped near the area of the upper radiator hose.

If that number matches the stamped number on the trunk lid stamped on the drivers side under the rubber weather strip then it came with a 22' radiator.

Now if the radiator support or the drivers side fender have been replace....it remains a question

Just my $.02

so much misinformation

the GTX isn't a full-size model
the 4-speed manual was NOT available in a C-body with a 440

so much misinformation

the 1968 model year hi-performance engines & transmissions were STAMPED with the last 8-digits of the VIN - 340 - 440HP - HEMI & Road Runner/Super Bee 383s

NO Chrysler Corp. engines were ever factory stamped with the shipping order number

the 22" radiator was available (STANDARD) in a b-body with a 440HP & automatic ONLY (without A/C & without an "axle package")

the top rail of a 22" radiator core support is the same as the top rail of a 26" radiator core support - the location of the stamp varies with assembly plant

I couldnt remember if it was Vin # or Sequence number

I think looking at the options combination you could get a 44, with torqueflight non sure grip rear end, and that would get you the 22" radiator. Its not common, but they pop up every so often. Once you add a four speed to the 375 HP 440 or to the 426 Hemi, you get a performance package option (Trak Pak or Super Trak Pak) and that gets you a 26" radiator.

The opening in the floor pan above does not look stock to me. The four speed opening was stamped. The hump goes over the opening with about 1/2" to 1" of additional coverage over the opening. The hump is stich welded from the inside of the car in about 6 to eight places with about 2" long welds.

All of this is assuming you are talking about 68 and 69 B-bodies.

What mis-information? Never said the GTX was a full size model. I only stated the parts manual showed a 22 inch core part number 2898063 with a full size C-Body cars with a 440 as an example. I also never said there was a 4 speed in a c-body. I reaffirmed what the parts manual said about the B-body with a 440 taking a 22 inch core part number 2949053. So where is the mis-information??

the subject is Dana car four speed car with 22 inch radiator my apologies, I thought you were talking on subject

for the '68-'70 GTX, Coronet R/T & Charger R/T - the 440HP engine * 727 automatic transmission * 22" radiator - is the most common built combination

Yep, our 70 Charger RT w/727 and an 8-3/4 HAD the 22".

Joe

For the record, a 4-speed manual transmission WAS available in a C-body with a 440.

thanks! 440 4-speed c-bodies were available 1966-1968 (with 26" radiators)

Probably the same in '71. I have had a couple of '71 GTXs with 440/727 and 22" radiators. And open rear ends. Heavy Duty suspensions were standard, but not Sure-Grips with autos. Some crazy stuff.

That’s what I recalled. After seeing the additional pics and confirming with you guys I think this is a converted car and a previous owner blew some smoke about it having a Dana.

68 gtx.

I've seen several 440 4 speed cars with 8 3/4 rears with 3.23 ratio, I think all the Hemi 4 speed cars came with Dana 60 only, 3.54 or 4.10 ratio while the 440 4 speed cars could have come with the 8 3/4 with the 3.23, 3.55, 3.91 and maybe 4.11 ratio

I guess its possible this car was originally 4spd ,Dana and 22" radiator. MAYBE.

BUT< I seriously doubt it. And without a fender tag there will ALWAYS be doubt.

Like I said, I think the guy has the car priced decent for what it is. BUT, IMO . Keep looking

it's is simply not the way they came from the factory -
bring evidence of one 440-4 speed- 8 3/4" car (non-'66 c-body)
bring evidence of one 440-4 speed- 22" radiator car

Agree, In my 35 years in the hobby. I've seen a couple of them in person, a 70 Coronet R/T, 69 GTX 440, 69 Hemi RR, 70- V-Code Charger all D21's and all have been proved to be fakes. I would imagine one may have made by mistake maybe. I've never seen that one.

Not a 440 but my friend's 71 Super Bee was a 383 22" radiator 4 speed dana.

prove a 383 car left the factory with a DANA - it did not happen!!!

a 383 Super Bee with a 22" radiator & a 4-speed would be a factory 3.23:1 8-3/4" car

I'm working on a '68 B body right now that is 440, 4 speed and Dana with 26 inch radiator core support. Of course, not much of that is factory! It was originally a 383, 4 speed, 8.75 car with a 22 inch radiator. Hard to tell now though.

A friend of a friend called me a while back for some help with a car he had bought at an auction. 440+6, four speed car. The car was stunning, looked just perfect on the outside. Got it up on the lift and noticed a 22 inch radiator, 23 spline transmission and 8 3/4 rearend. Okay, not exactly what was advertised! The guy was still happy with his car since mostly he just wanted something that looked great. And this car looked fantastic.

Agree, Never happened

I grew up in a Chrysler dealership my dad owned, in 68 a local guy order a 68 RR 383 4spd, an had my dad check the box for the dana, Chrysler wouldn't do it an my dad had to give back the extra money for the dana. true story and I own the car now.