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Lets talk about the leaning tower of power!

Posted By: DUFFMAN

Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 02:20 AM

A few weeks ago I picked up a 1972 B-body with a slant 6. Of course I'm not satisfied with 100hp, but I also don't want to stick a bunch of money in this car. So what performance upgrades can I do on a budget?
Posted By: TheTieWrapKid

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 02:26 AM

Drive that thing off a cliff ! It should help your speeds quite a bit !!

purple
Posted By: Neil

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 02:46 AM

Four barrel intake, a header, and a decent exhaust system are good starting points.

A cam swap is doable if you want to dig into it, but beware these engines have low compression so too large a cam will sound good and not do much else.

Torque converter upgrade

Rear gear ratio upgrade.

Also, if you drive it in D they make tail shaft governor kits that raise the WOT shift points so that might help when you put your foot in it. I would think those cars would have the part throttle kick down too.
Posted By: Alchemi

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 03:02 AM

A few hundry on a junkyard turbo setup dino
Posted By: Ply72rr

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 07:27 AM

The slant six head has a thick deck surface that can be milled 100 thousandths to up the compression. A two barrel intake and carb from a Super Six is an improvement over the single barrel carb. Advance the base timing about 5 degrees from spec. These are the least expensive things I can think of.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 08:24 AM

Nitrous?
Posted By: sixpacksteve

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 11:25 AM

drop a V8 in it!
Posted By: A727Tflite

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 11:45 AM

Find a later model 904 and install it to get the low gearset. 2.77 versus the 2.45 that’s in it will help get it off the line.
You can defeat the lockup if you like or keep it functional.

Mirada, Córdoba, Fury, all had slant sixes available with this trans.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by DUFFMAN
A few weeks ago I picked up a 1972 B-body with a slant 6. Of course I'm not satisfied with 100hp, but I also don't want to stick a bunch of money in this car. So what performance upgrades can I do on a budget?


Honestly your best bet would be to find a nice running small block and roll. You can dump hundreds into the /6 and not have the power of a 69 318 2bbl.
Posted By: GMP440

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
Originally Posted by DUFFMAN
A few weeks ago I picked up a 1972 B-body with a slant 6. Of course I'm not satisfied with 100hp, but I also don't want to stick a bunch of money in this car. So what performance upgrades can I do on a budget?


Honestly your best bet would be to find a nice running small block and roll. You can dump hundreds into the /6 and not have the power of a 69 318 2bbl.


I agree as well. For one thing , a b-body car is alot of weight for a slant six to to pull. If a person is looking to do mods to get any v8 power out of slant six , it's going to be very expensive.
In the long run, it's just cheaper to put in a 318 or 360. Just a simple v8 swap will already gain a 100 or more horsepower without even putting in a cam. Plenty of inexpensive 318's and 360's out there.
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 01:09 PM

I have a 68 Satellite with the /6. It's fun although very slow. A few things that I did that made a noticeable difference were; throw a little more timing at it, adjusted the valves, and set the kick down linkage to hold in gear longer. The thing I would like to do next, is throw some lower gears in it. Like 3.23s. But that would mean swapping the 7 1/4 out and that is just more work than I think I will do with the old rust bucket.
Posted By: Sniper

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 01:24 PM

When I got my 72 Dart it had a slant six.

The most cost effective thing I did to improve it's power was to put a 360 in. But this was back when you could buy a good running donor for $100 and V8 A body K members could be bought cheap int the yards. I had less than a grand into the swap including a new dual exhaust and radiator. The wiring harness needed minor mods to work, the donor supplied the engine and trans. Had I not already updated to 11.75" discs it could have provided that as well as it is I ended up swapping those onto my 64 300.

Later sold the slant for $250, including installation.

Today, I doubt you could replicate it for anywhere near that.

Depending on fab skills you could put a turbo on, EFI it, mill the head for compression. I am building a 218 flathead doing similar. But the head alone exceeded the cost of the 360 swap I mentioned. Just remember, like the flatty, the slant doesn't really like higher rpm, the piston speed gets stupid high. So do not build for HP, build for torque. A small turbo is probably the best there and no need to mill the head that route.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
drop a V8 in it!
iagree up work
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 09:41 PM

Don't you just love when people can't just answer the question?

Hope you get some good power gains on the slanty! Legendary!
Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/10/20 09:58 PM

Had a 72 Satellite with a slant 6 in it once. Even raced it one evening. Threw a rod out the block, lost lots of what little power it did have, but still ran with a windowed block.

So, whats considered budget and what effort do you want to make? In my neck of the woods, I can get a head milled for $60. You might be able to scrounge a junk yard 2 bbl intake. Anything beyond that and you could probably find a craigslist V8 and trans for less $$ and more effort.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 12:14 AM

One thing you have to remember when swapping out a Slant is you have to swap EVERYTHING. Not much of anything from the Slant bolts up to a V-8.
There's a lot of little things you can do to make a Slant better, but if you want a tire smoking torque monster prepare to open your wallet.

The motor in my Valiant would be fairly easy to duplicate for not a whole lot of money, and a smaller cam would make it a decent street motor too.
Posted By: volaredon

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 01:05 AM

I acquired a 85 D150 longbed with that engine. I have another block in "machine shop jail" as we speak, with assistance from another website (Zilla is a "regular" over there, too) I think I have a plan to wake it up.... I'm thinking I can wake up that slant to at least "the power of the day" that a 360 would have made as built in the same era, "factory stock". and these were the days of advertised sub 8:1 in the 360s, remember especially in the "heavy duty" trucks....
at this point Id rather play with the motor, as then I wont have to search (and pay for) a truck pan, truck mounts, a truck bolt pattern trans, a V8 radiator and more..... for a Northern Indiana truck, it's otherwise in surprisingly good shape.

On the other hand I spent Saturday afternoon swapping a Super 6 intake and carb setup onto my son's 80 D150 stepside, definitely made a noticeable improvement......
Ive had /6 cars that surprised me in how well they moved, back in the day.......
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 01:59 AM

So here's the skinny.

The car I picked up is almost the twin to a car I bought 14 years ago that also had a slant 6 in it when I got it. A year after I got it I swapped in a freshly warmed up 318 I already. So as far as the V8 swap, been there, done that.

This "new" car is in very good shape for being unrestored. It's also a car that shouldn't have been able to have a slant 6 in it, but according to the VIN, fender tag, and the 2 broadcast sheets I found in it, it came from the factory with the slanty in it. So, since I already did the V8 swap in another car, and the fact that it's odd that it has a slant 6, I kind of want to leave the slant 6 in it. Also, I bought it with the intention of parting it out to restore my other one accept it's in too good of shape to part. I have other reasons, but I won't go into detail here. Anyway, I want to leave the slant 6 in this one, at least for now.

So back to the OP.

My challenge is to make this car a nice driver with a minimal amount of money, so I'm primarily interested in upgrades I can scavenge from a junkyard. It doesn't need to be a drag car, but the more power I can squeeze out of it the better.

Since I bought it I've already added electronic ignition from a junkyard for $25. I also advanced the timing 5 degrees. I picked up a pair of manifolds for a 2 barrel conversion but the aluminum intake ended up being cracked. I did some research and found out some years of intakes are prone to cracking. So now I need to do some more research to find out which intakes are better so I can search for one. I also read that the valve lash can be increased by .01 to improve compression. Anything else I'm missing?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 02:04 AM

You might check into some Dutra cast iron dual ex manifolds/low restriction dual exhaust. what goes in must be able to flow out. I'd mill the heads as suggested. I did that on a low comp 440 (milled .060") & it was night & day better. EDIT found em on ebay for $585
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by RapidRobert
You might check into some Dutra cast iron dual ex manifolds/low restriction dual exhaust. what goes in must be able to flow out. I'd mill the heads as suggested. I did that on a low comp 440 (milled .060") & it was night & day better


The problem with aftermarket intake and exhaust manifolds is cost, and cold start since they eliminate the heat riser.
Posted By: DrCharles

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 02:50 AM

The biggest limitation of the slant is that it's only 225 ci. No replacement for displacement.

IIRC the stock stroke is 4.125"? So it doesn't sound like you could stroke it a lot (even if such parts were available)...

I agree that a turbo would work well and the plumbing is simpler with intake and exhaust on the same side of the head.

"Speed costs money, son. How fast do you want to go?" work
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 10:30 AM

I would enjoy the Slant for what it is. Reliable simple but not powerful engine. Id clean it up nice and paint it- replace any and all seals and gaskets that can be easily replaced. You have an engine with 1 head gasket as opposed to 2, an engine whos intake manifold does not have coolant going thru it as well as its just an easy to work on and get at everything engine. Any new driver has none of those traits. The Slant 6 is like the early 70s Honda 4 stroke mini and motorcycle engines- the 70-125-250cc engines. By not making alot of power the internal stresses were low contributing to a long running non fussy engine.
Posted By: GMP440

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 01:54 PM



Here is a Hot Rod Magazine article on a Slant Six build. This shows what was used and done to get an extra 77 horsepower. Just trying to show that it won't be cheap to get any decent horsepower front a slant six.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/slant-sickness-add-77-hp-mopar-slant-six/

Lot of good advice given on this thread. From dropping in a v8 to just cleaning up and leaving the slant six the way it is.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 04:24 PM

Buy a used 440 with tranny and go enjoy it up twocents work
Posted By: GMP440

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Buy a used 440 with tranny and go enjoy it up twocents work


Should be plenty of those around since owners are now wanting to drop in gen III hemi's.

Posted By: topside

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 08:22 PM

FWIW, I've driven or owned several Slants, and the 170/stick in a '60 Valiant was actually kinda peppy.
Seemed happier @ 70-75 MPH than the long-stroke 225s.
That Valiant weighed a lot less than the '70s Dart & Duster 225s I had, obviously a factor accelerating.
Being such a long stroke, on a 225 I would think enhancing low- & mid-range torque would be the best approach.
But even a stock 318 in the same chassis was better IMO, with no real MPG penalty.
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 08:46 PM

Its reassuring though to have an engine thats quiet, easy to work on, reliable and gets great mileage. Get in that thing and drive worry free. Have the carb set up spot on for instant starts in any weather condition. Save the V8- whatever the size for another project.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/11/20 11:13 PM

If you can find a BBD that doesn't have the throttle shaft completely worn out, it is a good upgrade on a factory 2bbl intake.
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/12/20 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by slantzilla
If you can find a BBD that doesn't have the throttle shaft completely worn out, it is a good upgrade on a factory 2bbl intake.


I have a really nice BBD that looks like it's practically brand new. The problem is the intake I picked up is cracked, which I later found out is a common problem. So now I need to hunt for a cast iron intake.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/12/20 01:41 PM

Is the cracked intake aluminum?
If so have it welded by a decent shop twocents weld up
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/13/20 02:10 AM

Is it the 2 piece welded together intake? Many of those have been fixed with JB Weld and a couple coats of epoxy paint.
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/13/20 03:31 PM

I just run onto this on Marketplace;

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2667766703539179
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/13/20 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by slantzilla
Is it the 2 piece welded together intake? Many of those have been fixed with JB Weld and a couple coats of epoxy paint.


Yes. It's cracked up pretty bad around the EGR right below the carburetor. Even if I could patch it up with JB weld I already made the mistake of separating the 2 manifolds so I broke off 2 of the 3 bolts that hold the 2 together.
Posted By: 500ciDuster

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/14/20 12:11 AM

bump the timing up, they like it and so will you
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/14/20 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by 500ciDuster
bump the timing up, they like it and so will you


I set the base timing at 5° BTC.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/14/20 10:48 PM

Recurving the distributor works well. I have one with the advance slots welded about 1/2 way up. I run 15-18 initial and 32 total. There was a huge thread about curves for street cars on www.slantsix.org .
Posted By: jcc

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/15/20 12:48 AM

On another forum a member toyed with putting another block in line, ie a slant 12? Guess that would make the car a mid engine powered car?
I think he finally came to his senses.
Posted By: 1970GTX

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/17/20 09:41 PM

Why buy a /6 B body if you are looking for performance?
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/17/20 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by 1970GTX
Why buy a /6 B body if you are looking for performance?


I actually bought the car for parts, but it's too solid and too "odd" to part it out. I'm not looking to make it into a drag car I just want to get the most I can out of it without doing anything drastic.
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/18/20 04:58 PM

So I've been able to pool up almost all the parts for the 2 barrel swap. The only problem now is the manifolds. Do I find someone to repair what I have? Or do I look for something different? My concern is that the 2 piece aluminum intake will crack again, even if I do have it welded. Maybe I should find a cast iron intake?
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/18/20 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Its reassuring though to have an engine thats quiet, easy to work on, reliable and gets great mileage. Get in that thing and drive worry free. Have the carb set up spot on for instant starts in any weather condition. Save the V8- whatever the size for another project.

This most I would do ever is the cast exhaust twice pipes and 2bbl.
No crime in bouncing around town in an old car with a 225 slant stock either. If I find one that's what I would do
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/18/20 09:28 PM

This is what I'm playing with, a 1972 Coronet. I know they're 4 doors, but I like them.

On the right is a base model (WL). It originally had a /6 in it, now it has a warmed up 318 in it. I bought that one in 2006 and did the engine swap in 2007.

The one on the left is a Custom (WH). I bought this one a few weeks ago for $1000 running a driving. What's odd about it is that Custom was supposed to get a 318 standard and this one has a slant 6. The VIN, fender tag and both broadcast sheets. It also has far fewer options than my base, it's even radio delete. I originally bought it for parts for the one on the right, but it's too straight and solid to part it. Also, most of the parts it needed I had in my stash, except of course slant 6 parts.

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Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/19/20 04:37 PM

Duffman, I love them! Nothing wrong with 4 door Mopars! up
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/21/20 12:09 AM

When I was in high school one of my friend's Mom had a then brand new '73 Coronet station wagon with a Slant and a 3 on the tree. It was not a rocket ship, but chicks dug it. boogie
Posted By: DUFFMAN

Re: Lets talk about the leaning tower of power! - 09/21/20 12:15 AM

So I took the valve cover off in order to adjust the valve lash and found everything covered in sludge, so it looks like I have some cleaning to do. I removed the rockers and I'm going to clean them in parts cleaner, but I need to clean the head a block somehow. Is kerosene or diesel in place of oil still the best way or is there a better method now?
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