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Mopars with Satin Black Finishes

Posted By: VSTwister

Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 03:36 PM

So I'm getting my Scamp ready for body and paint....and have big question(s). When doing a paint job with a mix of gloss paint and satin black paint finishes, what are all the in's and out's of painting and caring for this type of paint job? Does the satin black need some type of satin clear coat to seal and protect it, same as a gloss paint gets a gloss clear coat? How do you care for these when you have gloss with satin stripes/graphics? How do you wax it? Are there products out there that do both finishes? Photo below shows exactly what I'm after except no go wing. Love the satin look on black stripes over all gloss...but proper painting and care is a concern. Much appreciate any input!

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Posted By: Frankenduster

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 05:03 PM

Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 05:16 PM

I’m partial to the blue colors. Kinda a good coating while you work on the mechanicals. The satins actually look better on the older cars, hot rods, rats etc. Yes, the black satin is popular but I don’t see it loosing popularity since I’ve seen many cars still running it.

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Posted By: bobby66

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 05:57 PM

Probably going to do it on my '66 Charger I love the look and it will never be worth much anyway. Plus, I don't have the money for a nice paint job anyway. boogie
Posted By: Frankenduster

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 06:13 PM

Surface prep for a satin finish is no different. Flaws will show up just the same. Why cheat yourself out of a decent shine?
Posted By: csk

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


So is red LOL smile
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


So is red LOL smile



I’m thinking of that Destroyer Gray leaving it in flat. Maybe add a little patina.

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Posted By: radar

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 08:57 PM

My swinger in ‘09

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Posted By: csk

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 09:08 PM

They have a cleaner that works on both finishes, as long as the satin is a catalyzed paint.
I used the Summit urethane hot rod black.

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Posted By: Stanton

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


Yup !! Especially in black !!
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/23/19 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by dart4forte
... since I’ve seen many cars still running it.


That's the point !! If ya wanna be like everyone else, paint it satin black !!
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/24/19 01:14 AM

Did you guys actually read the post before dumping on it? The OP is asking about a COMBINATION of satin and gloss. How is this "played out" since many mopars had black hood treatment from the factory that wasn't gloss???
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/24/19 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Butterscotch71
Did you guys actually read the post before dumping on it? The OP is asking about a COMBINATION of satin and gloss. How is this "played out" since many mopars had black hood treatment from the factory that wasn't gloss???


Oh sure, spoil all the fun !!
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/24/19 03:24 AM

Wow! I didn't know my paint scheme is "played out" and out of date?

As for a combination of flat and gloss, I think it can be tastefully done. Two tone with a flat bottom and gloss top or gloss accents!

Go for it.

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Posted By: bobby66

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/24/19 01:08 PM

A gloss hockey stripe would look sweet on that black 'Cuda.
Posted By: topside

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/24/19 03:09 PM

As far as waxing, there are spray-wax products on the market that don't chalk up satin finishes.
I remember BMW warning buyers of their satin cars to avoid bird droppings at all costs, but that's a different clientele.
Depending on what the OP is doing, might be easier & less spendy to use a matte decal/applique/vinyl wrap instead of paint.

I like the subtlety of a black matte stripe or hood patch on a gloss black car.
Plenty of other things are done to death in my opinion, but we can have another thread for that.
Posted By: 67vertman

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/24/19 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by bobby66
A gloss hockey stripe would look sweet on that black 'Cuda.


Thanks, that's my plan I ordered a stripe from ChallengerGary. up
Posted By: 65rbdodge

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 03:54 AM

I use rat wax on my 47 desoto, they have a wash and spray detailer but no wax. My paint is rustoleum flat black and I can say it scratches very easily, if you run your finger nail over it it scratches. Expect to have people ask “what color are you painting it?” Then tell them flat black.
Posted By: Frankenduster

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


So is red LOL smile


Okay, I'll play along with that.
Before the Charger, I had never owned a red car. MY '84 Chevy truck was red but all of my cars then and prior were other colors. I wanted red for this car.
After the paint, after the build, I started seeing RED on many other cars. For awhile in 2015, I considered a color change to B-5 Blue. Yeah...I considered stripping the car down and changing the color entirely. I still ,love the blue.
To make nice with the crowd, I'll concede that those that already have the satin paint are exempt from my opinions...They chose their colors when the trend was on the upswing.
Bell Bottoms and tye dye was really cool at one time and in some cases still is BUT I respect the pioneers more than the guys that jump on a trend too late.
Oh, just to annoy John...Destroyer Gray ?? I see these cars in that color and just cannot see the appeal. It looks like clearcoat over gray primer. Is this a Military sort of thing? You guys see the cars in the gray and reminisce about time in the service? If so, I respect the service but gag at the color!
Your car, your choice but jeez....
Posted By: csk

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


So is red LOL smile


Okay, I'll play along with that.
Before the Charger, I had never owned a red car. MY '84 Chevy truck was red but all of my cars then and prior were other colors. I wanted red for this car.
After the paint, after the build, I started seeing RED on many other cars. For awhile in 2015, I considered a color change to B-5 Blue. Yeah...I considered stripping the car down and changing the color entirely. I still ,love the blue.
To make nice with the crowd, I'll concede that those that already have the satin paint are exempt from my opinions...They chose their colors when the trend was on the upswing.
Bell Bottoms and tye dye was really cool at one time and in some cases still is BUT I respect the pioneers more than the guys that jump on a trend too late.
Oh, just to annoy John...Destroyer Gray ?? I see these cars in that color and just cannot see the appeal. It looks like clearcoat over gray primer. Is this a Military sort of thing? You guys see the cars in the gray and reminisce about time in the service? If so, I respect the service but gag at the color!
Your car, your choice but jeez....



To be Honest, I was just pickin on you, I know your car is red :),, & my car as you know is Satin Black.
Posted By: Frankenduster

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 04:58 AM

I see your car as a Nasty cousin to BLADE.
You get a pass on that. drive
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


So is red LOL smile


Okay, I'll play along with that.
Before the Charger, I had never owned a red car. MY '84 Chevy truck was red but all of my cars then and prior were other colors. I wanted red for this car.
After the paint, after the build, I started seeing RED on many other cars. For awhile in 2015, I considered a color change to B-5 Blue. Yeah...I considered stripping the car down and changing the color entirely. I still ,love the blue.
To make nice with the crowd, I'll concede that those that already have the satin paint are exempt from my opinions...They chose their colors when the trend was on the upswing.
Bell Bottoms and tye dye was really cool at one time and in some cases still is BUT I respect the pioneers more than the guys that jump on a trend too late.
Oh, just to annoy John...Destroyer Gray ?? I see these cars in that color and just cannot see the appeal. It looks like clearcoat over gray primer. Is this a Military sort of thing? You guys see the cars in the gray and reminisce about time in the service? If so, I respect the service but gag at the color!
Your car, your choice but jeez....



Well in my case it would of been OD green. I consider myself annoyed grin
Posted By: moparx

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 03:09 PM

be really annoying - leave it the way it is now, and don't wash/clean it ever ! biggrin
beer
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/25/19 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
be really annoying - leave it the way it is now, and don't wash/clean it ever ! biggrin
beer



I like to annoy frankenduster stirthepot
Posted By: VSTwister

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/28/19 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Butterscotch71
Did you guys actually read the post before dumping on it? The OP is asking about a COMBINATION of satin and gloss. How is this "played out" since many mopars had black hood treatment from the factory that wasn't gloss???


Yes this is exactly what I meant. I guess had my image shown up in the post rather than a link....


I'm all for satin black (not flat) for hood and stripe treatment, as far as looks go, but I'm just worried about the care. I've heard this finish is hell when it comes to bird crap on it...like get it off NOW. But I'm also wondering about waxing/cleaning. Obviously you have to avoid the old paste wax, that obviously is just swirl-cloud-city. Meguiars told me to use one of the spray wipe on waxes that lasts only about 2-3 weeks on satin finish. Is that all there is to it? And traditional sponges for washing, well since you can't repair light swirl marks in satin like a regular gloss clear coat, microfiber cloths then? Do they make a satin clear coat for these paints?

Answers to those questions are what I was after, not if satin is cool or passe. Since so many Mopars came with these flat or satin combo finishes...how to you take care of it above a solid gloss painted car?

One last thing, what type of paint(s) are most popular for the satin black? I've been hearing a few commenting on "hot rod black".

Thanks!

Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 08/28/19 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by VSTwister
Originally Posted by Butterscotch71
Did you guys actually read the post before dumping on it? The OP is asking about a COMBINATION of satin and gloss. How is this "played out" since many mopars had black hood treatment from the factory that wasn't gloss???


Yes this is exactly what I meant. I guess had my image shown up in the post rather than a link....


I'm all for satin black (not flat) for hood and stripe treatment, as far as looks go, but I'm just worried about the care. I've heard this finish is hell when it comes to bird crap on it...like get it off NOW. But I'm also wondering about waxing/cleaning. Obviously you have to avoid the old paste wax, that obviously is just swirl-cloud-city. Meguiars told me to use one of the spray wipe on waxes that lasts only about 2-3 weeks on satin finish. Is that all there is to it? And traditional sponges for washing, well since you can't repair light swirl marks in satin like a regular gloss clear coat, microfiber cloths then? Do they make a satin clear coat for these paints?

Answers to those questions are what I was after, not if satin is cool or passe. Since so many Mopars came with these flat or satin combo finishes...how to you take care of it above a solid gloss painted car?

Thanks!




Rat Wax or mineral spirits
Posted By: mopardude318

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/04/19 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Surface prep for a satin finish is no different. Flaws will show up just the same. Why cheat yourself out of a decent shine?


I agree. I like shiny!
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/04/19 09:38 PM

Flat and semi-gloss cars are a sign of laziness.
Posted By: csk

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/04/19 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
Flat and semi-gloss cars are a sign of laziness.


WOW !!!! Really LOL , very broad brush stroke there Skippy. you have NO idea what it took for me to build & paint my car, lazy is not it.
Posted By: 62SAVOY

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
Flat and semi-gloss cars are a sign of laziness.


WOW !!!! Really LOL , very broad brush stroke there Skippy. you have NO idea what it took for me to build & paint my car, lazy is not it.


Would have to agree with you on that one. I just flat blacked my Savoy. Flat black and just the chrome trim is shiny. Not because lazy. But because it is a hot rod and I work on it and do not want to cry and pout over it if I nick the paint or get a scratch in it. Fine for a show car for which it is not and it never will be. Just a fast fun street car.
Posted By: Mr. Potatohead

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 04:16 AM

I bought the paint to black one out, well I just am not sure so now its with about 30 gallons of other paint indecision on my back porch.

I think alot of it is black primered POS-s were the norm for so long and now when someone does it to a nice car the POS stigma is still there weather true or not.
Posted By: Frankenduster

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 06:25 AM

*Whether*

Yeah, I have seen plenty of crapped out cars in black primer, gray primer and years ago....Red oxide ! I haven't seen the red in awhile though.
FOr the record, I am not a purist. Modifications are not a problem, I just see a matte or flat finish as a short cut. I don't like the matte finish wraps some people do to their cars. Seeing a $200,000 Euro-exotic car with a dull finish wrap looks crappy to me. In basic terms, a shine means quality, dull means a degraded finish.
This is my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anyone's car.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
Flat and semi-gloss cars are a sign of laziness.

I'm going to paint my crew cab olive drab because I'm too lazy to strip off all the bedliner it's already coated with. laugh2
I stripped the grille and what a mess and PITA that was, don't want to go through that again and for a bomb around in the mountains truck anyway a nice paint job would be a waste.
Can't help with the cleaning ideas though. I'll just use soap and water if I wash it at all.
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Frankenduster
*Whether*

Yeah, I have seen plenty of crapped out cars in black primer, gray primer and years ago....Red oxide ! I haven't seen the red in awhile though.
FOr the record, I am not a purist. Modifications are not a problem, I just see a matte or flat finish as a short cut. I don't like the matte finish wraps some people do to their cars. Seeing a $200,000 Euro-exotic car with a dull finish wrap looks crappy to me. In basic terms, a shine means quality, dull means a degraded finish.
This is my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anyone's car.


In the world of motorcycles I prefer a nice glossy paint job done professionally. The bikes in dull black remind me of when I was 16 and had no damn money do to my stuff up better.
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 02:45 PM

I’m kinda partial to other colors of satin
Posted By: moparx

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 03:29 PM

how 'bout "shiny" red oxide primer spots ? both front fenders, top of drivers quarter, trunk lid corner, etc.
my charger will never be repainted by me. i'm old and have "spots", so my car is "just like me". biggrin
beer

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Posted By: basketcase

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by dart4forte
Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.


So is red LOL smile



I’m thinking of that Destroyer Gray leaving it in flat. Maybe add a little patina.



that looks great as is
Posted By: csk

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
how 'bout "shiny" red oxide primer spots ? both front fenders, top of drivers quarter, trunk lid corner, etc.
my charger will never be repainted by me. i'm old and have "spots", so my car is "just like me". biggrin
beer


Best one yet LOL smile
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Yuck
Flat and semi-gloss cars are a sign of laziness.





Wow. I wish I could say what I’d like to say here.
Posted By: Frankenduster

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/22/19 11:56 PM

Spit it out...Don't be a wuss about it!
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/23/19 02:03 PM

One we did several years ago only used blue

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Posted By: moparx

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/23/19 03:16 PM

i REALLY like that wagon ! up
beer
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/23/19 05:02 PM

Don't do it! Looks like someone got so close to finishing their project then just gave up.
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: Mopars with Satin Black Finishes - 09/23/19 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
i REALLY like that wagon ! up
beer



I’ve tried several times to get it back. Guy who owns it lives in the Mohave desert and uses it to drive up to the mountains to go fishing with his buddies. Last time I saw the car was at Fall Fling in CA. Bunch of fishing poles sticking out the backend.
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