Mopars with Satin Black Finishes

So I'm getting my Scamp ready for body and paint....and have big question(s). When doing a paint job with a mix of gloss paint and satin black paint finishes, what are all the in's and out's of painting and caring for this type of paint job? Does the satin black need some type of satin clear coat to seal and protect it, same as a gloss paint gets a gloss clear coat? How do you care for these when you have gloss with satin stripes/graphics? How do you wax it? Are there products out there that do both finishes? Photo below shows exactly what I'm after except no go wing. Love the satin look on black stripes over all gloss...but proper painting and care is a concern. Much appreciate any input!

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Don't do this.
It is played out. Overdone. NO longer cool.

I’m partial to the blue colors. Kinda a good coating while you work on the mechanicals. The satins actually look better on the older cars, hot rods, rats etc. Yes, the black satin is popular but I don’t see it loosing popularity since I’ve seen many cars still running it.

Probably going to do it on my '66 Charger I love the look and it will never be worth much anyway. Plus, I don't have the money for a nice paint job anyway.

Surface prep for a satin finish is no different. Flaws will show up just the same. Why cheat yourself out of a decent shine?

So is red LOL

I’m thinking of that Destroyer Gray leaving it in flat. Maybe add a little patina.

My swinger in ‘09

They have a cleaner that works on both finishes, as long as the satin is a catalyzed paint.
I used the Summit urethane hot rod black.

Yup !! Especially in black !!

That's the point !! If ya wanna be like everyone else, paint it satin black !!

Did you guys actually read the post before dumping on it? The OP is asking about a COMBINATION of satin and gloss. How is this "played out" since many mopars had black hood treatment from the factory that wasn't gloss???

Oh sure, spoil all the fun !!

Wow! I didn't know my paint scheme is "played out" and out of date?

As for a combination of flat and gloss, I think it can be tastefully done. Two tone with a flat bottom and gloss top or gloss accents!

Go for it.

A gloss hockey stripe would look sweet on that black 'Cuda.

As far as waxing, there are spray-wax products on the market that don't chalk up satin finishes.
I remember BMW warning buyers of their satin cars to avoid bird droppings at all costs, but that's a different clientele.
Depending on what the OP is doing, might be easier & less spendy to use a matte decal/applique/vinyl wrap instead of paint.

I like the subtlety of a black matte stripe or hood patch on a gloss black car.
Plenty of other things are done to death in my opinion, but we can have another thread for that.

Thanks, that's my plan I ordered a stripe from ChallengerGary.

I use rat wax on my 47 desoto, they have a wash and spray detailer but no wax. My paint is rustoleum flat black and I can say it scratches very easily, if you run your finger nail over it it scratches. Expect to have people ask “what color are you painting it?” Then tell them flat black.

Okay, I'll play along with that.
Before the Charger, I had never owned a red car. MY '84 Chevy truck was red but all of my cars then and prior were other colors. I wanted red for this car.
After the paint, after the build, I started seeing RED on many other cars. For awhile in 2015, I considered a color change to B-5 Blue. Yeah...I considered stripping the car down and changing the color entirely. I still ,love the blue.
To make nice with the crowd, I'll concede that those that already have the satin paint are exempt from my opinions...They chose their colors when the trend was on the upswing.
Bell Bottoms and tye dye was really cool at one time and in some cases still is BUT I respect the pioneers more than the guys that jump on a trend too late.
Oh, just to annoy John...Destroyer Gray ?? I see these cars in that color and just cannot see the appeal. It looks like clearcoat over gray primer. Is this a Military sort of thing? You guys see the cars in the gray and reminisce about time in the service? If so, I respect the service but gag at the color!
Your car, your choice but jeez....

To be Honest, I was just pickin on you, I know your car is red :),, & my car as you know is Satin Black.

I see your car as a Nasty cousin to BLADE.
You get a pass on that.

Well in my case it would of been OD green. I consider myself annoyed

be really annoying - leave it the way it is now, and don't wash/clean it ever !

I like to annoy frankenduster

Yes this is exactly what I meant. I guess had my image shown up in the post rather than a link....


I'm all for satin black (not flat) for hood and stripe treatment, as far as looks go, but I'm just worried about the care. I've heard this finish is hell when it comes to bird crap on it...like get it off NOW. But I'm also wondering about waxing/cleaning. Obviously you have to avoid the old paste wax, that obviously is just swirl-cloud-city. Meguiars told me to use one of the spray wipe on waxes that lasts only about 2-3 weeks on satin finish. Is that all there is to it? And traditional sponges for washing, well since you can't repair light swirl marks in satin like a regular gloss clear coat, microfiber cloths then? Do they make a satin clear coat for these paints?

Answers to those questions are what I was after, not if satin is cool or passe. Since so many Mopars came with these flat or satin combo finishes...how to you take care of it above a solid gloss painted car?

One last thing, what type of paint(s) are most popular for the satin black? I've been hearing a few commenting on "hot rod black".

Thanks!

Rat Wax or mineral spirits

I agree. I like shiny!

Flat and semi-gloss cars are a sign of laziness.

WOW !!!! Really LOL , very broad brush stroke there Skippy. you have NO idea what it took for me to build & paint my car, lazy is not it.

Would have to agree with you on that one. I just flat blacked my Savoy. Flat black and just the chrome trim is shiny. Not because lazy. But because it is a hot rod and I work on it and do not want to cry and pout over it if I nick the paint or get a scratch in it. Fine for a show car for which it is not and it never will be. Just a fast fun street car.

I bought the paint to black one out, well I just am not sure so now its with about 30 gallons of other paint indecision on my back porch.

I think alot of it is black primered POS-s were the norm for so long and now when someone does it to a nice car the POS stigma is still there weather true or not.

*Whether*

Yeah, I have seen plenty of crapped out cars in black primer, gray primer and years ago....Red oxide ! I haven't seen the red in awhile though.
FOr the record, I am not a purist. Modifications are not a problem, I just see a matte or flat finish as a short cut. I don't like the matte finish wraps some people do to their cars. Seeing a $200,000 Euro-exotic car with a dull finish wrap looks crappy to me. In basic terms, a shine means quality, dull means a degraded finish.
This is my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anyone's car.

I'm going to paint my crew cab olive drab because I'm too lazy to strip off all the bedliner it's already coated with.
I stripped the grille and what a mess and PITA that was, don't want to go through that again and for a bomb around in the mountains truck anyway a nice paint job would be a waste.
Can't help with the cleaning ideas though. I'll just use soap and water if I wash it at all.

In the world of motorcycles I prefer a nice glossy paint job done professionally. The bikes in dull black remind me of when I was 16 and had no damn money do to my stuff up better.

I’m kinda partial to other colors of satin

how 'bout "shiny" red oxide primer spots ? both front fenders, top of drivers quarter, trunk lid corner, etc.
my charger will never be repainted by me. i'm old and have "spots", so my car is "just like me".

that looks great as is

Best one yet LOL

Wow. I wish I could say what I’d like to say here.

Spit it out...Don't be a wuss about it!

One we did several years ago only used blue

i REALLY like that wagon !

Don't do it! Looks like someone got so close to finishing their project then just gave up.

I’ve tried several times to get it back. Guy who owns it lives in the Mohave desert and uses it to drive up to the mountains to go fishing with his buddies. Last time I saw the car was at Fall Fling in CA. Bunch of fishing poles sticking out the backend.

Well, car is done and graphics are painted SEM Hot Rod black. And I love the look. (Black vinyl top will be going back on too.)

Needs to be wet sanded & polished out...............

To add patina: strip all paint/primer off down to bare metal. Deliver vehicle to Michigan - park in driveway for a year - then ship vehicle back to AZ., & clearcoat over surface rust. Yeah - that's what everybody really wants.

VSTwister, that looks great. When I first read your thread starter, I thought you were contemplating painting the entire vehicle in a flat or satin finish. So basically, you went with a factory-type setup. When my '72 Cuda is painted some day, it will need to have the V21 hood paint treatment done, since it was not a tape stripe for the blackout.

I've heard many claim that the original paint for blackout on the Mopars was Oganisol, which is heavily textured (Oganisol was discontinued years ago BTW). I can say with certainty that the Organisol was NOT used on all Mopar blackouts as some claim. For example, my first car was a 1970 Cuda that I purchased in 1976 & it was all original paint. The tail panel finish was not a rough, textured finish. It was a smooth satin-like finish. I have also seen AAR's & T/A's that were original, & the hoods & fender tops were finished the same as my Cuda tail panel.

Yeah I was confused by your responses here lol. Someone else assumed I meant the entire car in satin black. I meant just as you see it now, and questions on application and more importantly, care of this type paint combo when it's done. My best guess at this point is traditional paste wax ok for the gloss, avoid the black with this of course, and use a spray on/wipe off type for the satin areas (which isn't as durable or long lasting but at least we have something now. Meguire makes one for instance.)

I used what many recommended and my painter also did. The SEM Hot Rod Black (or Trim Black is supposed to be the same in rattle cans). I'm happy with the results and my car is not original so accuracy is not critical there. I didn't want flat black, but a satin finish just like I have.

Thanks!

On my 74 Duster360 with V21 hood treatment (flat black), I used the "back to black" from Meguiars (??) . . . held up pretty good