Oval air cleaner elements

I picked up a 440 air grabber air cleaner the other day and it needs a new element. I looked around and I can only find two choices. The K&N E-1980 or the reproduction element that lots of people sell. Is that it? So nobody like Fram or Wix or anybody like that makes a replacement element?

Mancini has this one. Is this one of the repros you were talking about? It actually looks pretty good.

I may be missing something, but I don't see a "add to cart" button leading me to believe Mancini is out of stock on that filter.

I have a few NORS Fram #332 filters with Mesh Screen. If interested PM me for more details. Joe

All the regular replacement parts suppliers stopped making them several years ago, leading to hoarding as well as hoarders cashing in.

The only other one I know of is the taller K&N, the 3840.

I always thought the taller element looked cool and it might make enough of a functional difference to be noticeable.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/knn-e-3840

I had collected three NOS Fram filters that had the shield with round holes and sold them off recently, replaced them with a 3840 for a project later and had a
few hundred left over.

If your interested in a nice repro of the OEM oval FRAM filter, "Tommy the Chryco" has some nice repro units available $125 each....I recently picked up 2 of them, and compare very well to my original/NOS units

Mike

Oops, looks like you're right. My bad, sorry.

Right, I used an E-3840 on a six pack setup a few years back. The taller element doesn't bolt into one of these air grabber setups though since the air cleaner studs will be too short to reach the top. I'm sure that can be solved of course. If the reproduction one isn't available then I suppose I'll end up using the K&N one.

Roseville has the repro.

https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/air-filter-element-hemi-4406-3406-correct-style/

Thanks but this is a '72 Duster with a 512 inch EFI engine so it doesn't really need NOS parts.

Based on the top pic..... looks like it’s close to being ready to run.

Yes it is close to be ready to fire up. I need to connect a few wires and put water in the radiator and it will be ready to run. The engine ran fine on the dyno so the EFI tune should be close. The biggest issue is that I don't have the exhaust system finished yet and it is going to take me some work to piece that together.

K&N must have figured out Fram isn’t making these any more.
$100 Yikes!
I paid under $40 just a couple of years ago for it.

Sticker shock! Holy crap - over $100.00 for one of these.

I'm going to talk with a few of my filter reps & see if a 3rd supplier is interested in tooling up.

What was the original Fram # on these? (332?)

The Fram CA332 with the round holes is the most sought after.

Like this one: Link

Or this one CA 332V: Link 2

And finally this one: Link 3

Fram made a few versions CA332, CA332V. Some had black rubber versus orange, some with diamond mesh instead of round holes. Maybe a real expert will chime in to help some more.

Yeah I'd think someone could make one and sell it for $30 or $40 bucks without too much trouble. Doesn't need to look like the original, just be functional.

The big stumbling block is going to be tooling cost, plus a small production run. UNLESS one of the filter companies already has tooling & all they need to do is set-up. I'll dig into it.

*ALSO: which old Fram was the original style - original issue? (as I recall, they had orange rubber with round hole screen???)

I've got two of the mesh filters left that are brand new. One for my Barracuda and one for my son's Dart. I have read where some people have been successful at cleaning them. I bought a bunch in the 90s when they were $15 at Kragan/O'Reilly and never threw away the used ones.

I also think there might be a market for new ones around $50 or less.

A customer of mine a couple years ago bought one of the current repop restoration elements for his 6 pack Challenger RT/SE
Within days the rubber around the edge was peeling away from the screen , both top and bottom. He said seemed like every time he opened the hood there was orange rubber strips laying on the manifold or about ready to fall off.. Needless to say he WAS NOT happy.
Last I heard he pulled it out and bought a K+ N

This is my personal opinion and nothing more.
BUT,
Look for one in the following,,, in order.
NOS original.
The old fram 332V filter
one of the later model Mopar or Fram screen elements
last but not least a K+N

Not sure I can recommend the current repop element ever again, UNLESS somethings changed I'm not aware of with the manufacturing process to avoid the issue mentioned

Last I looked these were pulling $150 and up now IF you can find one
FRAM 332V filters. my gutt says the tooling still exists

Some of the older Fram 332 plus the later issue Mopar filters were a more closed screen material. Could be found with black or orange rubber

Andy, Years ago, I read about a test where they checked the actual flow of paper elements vs oiled cotton like the K&N. I wish I could remember where. It was interesting that the factory paper oval element, new, was only capable of flowing around 900 cfm which was adequate for a six pack, but if they got a bit dirty, the airflow dropped accordingly and restricted power. I see people on here frequently looking for dual quad filters and many of the posts show filters with elements that look to be maybe 1-1/2" tall and are not that big in diameter. I know on my Hemi dual quads, at first I ran a couple of the cheap Mr. Gasket 6x2.5" filters, until I fabbed up an A-12 dual quad base for my six pack hood. It uses a K&N sixpack filter and after I got my carbs dialed in with the wide band, I went back and put the 6" filters on and not only could you feel the power difference, you could see on the wideband that it was running richer due to less airflow. I was wondering if you might consider doing an article about the realities and restriction some of the commonly used airfilters? I believe most people might be surprised by how much horsepower they can be giving up with the wrong choice. From what a friends dyno tests showed, the extreme drop base single quads were some of the worst. One thing is for sure, you never see any real in-depth stories on the subject in the mainstream mags!

Stock/new....stock/used, baseplate Only, k&n short, k&n tall.

Maybe it's too geeky of a test but there are a few of us who would pay attention!

I have a K&N and a "Blue" Oiled one like the K&N one. The Dark Blue was cut and put in my Mr. Norm Air Cleaner.
Maybe it was an Air-Raid {sp?} the box is long gone
I really liked the Dark Blue look
I know this is not much help but wanted to out it out there

What are the measurements on the short and tall my 1969 440 air cleaner hits the hood on one corner?
So using the Mr. Norm when I drive it and the Oval 1969 to show.
Got another K&N for the T/A Ben Snobar set up he had some blems in 2005-2006 with wide lips

Sadly, it’s not worth the effort for a large manufacturer to put forth the effort and money.
Realistically, how many of these would sell, 500 a year?
Might be worth doing a 1 time run if someone was willing to buy a lot and sell them piece meal.

More than 500 a year would sell. You can't clean a paper filter - they are throw-aways. There are a lot of Mopars using these filters still very much in existence if you think about it. A good repop for a reasonable price ($65-70.00) & people would buy 3-4 of them initially. China would make these without batting an eye if none of the US manufacturers give a dam, & they probably don't. Stay tuned........

I have not used , but Summit shows a filter with the same dimensions as the E1980 K&N for $20.30 under Scott Drake S1MS-9601-A certainly not for restoration but function??

I can tell you with near certainty that that filter is not wide enough.

Correct.
Those air filter elements are for this type of Ford, air cleaner.

Just got an e-mail from Year One...

They have orange with round perforations for $124.93 and black with what looks like the mesh for $169.63.

I have no idea if these are exclusive to Year One or can be found elsewhere...

I have to wonder why the mesh are more expensive than the perf, being that the perf are correct for restoration?

I got the email also. It appears they both have the same round holes.

I see it now. I wonder what the supply is. Years ago Year One advertised A-body console four speed boots in a very misleading way. They indicated that they were NOS and possibly limited. They were, in fact, a Mopar Perf part. So, a little research into these might reveal a better price somewhere.