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Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing

Posted By: wally426ci

Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/27/18 06:47 PM

1968 Dodge D100 Truck

I ordered Dorman 690-005

Bushing Inside Diameter (in): 0.753
Bushing Material: Powder Metal
Bushing Outside Diameter (in): 0.94

But it is magnetic. I read somewhere that if a magnet sticks, it is contaminated. Can anyone clarify or post a source for the right part? I don't care if it isn't $5 - I just want the best quality.
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/27/18 07:10 PM

They aren't supposed to be solid bronze. It should be what is called oillite, my spelling might be wrong. They are porous so it will soak and hold oil, then release. Even the service manual says to soak in oil.
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/27/18 07:55 PM

Any idea if they're magnetic? Both that I have ordered are but read that it is an issue.......
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/27/18 08:32 PM

People put WAY to much emphasis on this part. The ONLY time that the input shaft spins in this bushing is when the clutch is depressed. The rest of the time the input shaft is spinning with the crank and therefore not spinning in the bushing.

But if you absolutely need the real deal, try a bearing supply place - they carry that stuff.
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/27/18 09:19 PM

Thanks Stanton - just don't want to have to yank anything back out prematurely.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/27/18 10:43 PM

Originally Posted By Stanton
People put WAY to much emphasis on this part. The ONLY time that the input shaft spins in this bushing is when the clutch is depressed.


And, yet, they do wear out.

Oilite is a porous alloy, it can be either bronze or iron based. If your preference is bronze, shop around.
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/28/18 05:38 AM

Why not use the roller bearing?
Posted By: Mr. Smurf

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/28/18 07:27 AM

Pure bronze does not have the ability to retain oil for lubrication like an "oilite" bushing does.

Your in for a big headache running a pure bronze bushing.

Ed
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 02/28/18 03:40 PM

I meant Bronze based - mine are Iron based - I suppose that is fine but I've only seen Bronze previously.
Posted By: 135sohc

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/01/18 03:25 AM

Mcmaster-carr

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Posted By: RoadRunner

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/01/18 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By scatpacktom
Why not use the roller bearing?


I second this. Better than an bushing type bearing surface. Inexpensive, and once installed, only your parts guy will know. In case you are going for the OEM restoration. wink
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/01/18 09:56 PM

http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=221635&cc=1078859&jsn=436
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 12:18 AM

"manufactured using premium-grade steel". OP is looking for bronze.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 12:56 AM

just bought one last week, looks just like the picture
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 01:34 AM

Will a magnet stick to it?
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 03:20 AM

So I haven't seen anyone suggest the obvious here ... Brewers or Passon !!!
Posted By: Magnum

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 03:38 AM

Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
"manufactured using premium-grade steel". OP is looking for bronze.


Maybe the original poster did not consider there is a better option.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 03:51 AM

To each his own. If it were me, I too would be looking for a OEM like replacement....sintered bronze. Roller by itself does not make it better. Materials of construction, design, and construction quality matter. I know that roller is the popular choice on here, but I know of two roller installations, and both failed catastrophically. Sintered bronze worked fine. shruggy
Posted By: John Brown

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 03:58 AM

Originally Posted By Magnum
Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
"manufactured using premium-grade steel". OP is looking for bronze.


Maybe the original poster did not consider there is a better option.


A better option just means there are different opinions of what is actually best. The original poster appears to have already make his choice and is asking for help in locating what he is looking for.
Posted By: rhad

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 05:49 AM

there WAS a mopar bearing part number 4338876 that would fit the bill,now discontinued
Posted By: OhioMopar

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 08:42 AM

Originally Posted By Stanton
So I haven't seen anyone suggest the obvious here ... Brewers or Passon !!!

http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.php?prod=PB329
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 02:08 PM

Thanks ya'll

I found a sintered bronze piece from the shop that had my tranny. I did have an order in for PBH286HD from Fisher Auto Parts so I'll follow up if that is a parts store option.

As for rollers - I'd prefer not to have something else that could fail in a big way.

That's just, Like, my opinion man.
-Jeff Bridges
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 03:06 PM

Tell me MORE about these Roller Failures? Especially the catastrophic ones.

For 15 years I have used them in all my cars. Most of those cars get the snot whipped out of them. Transmissions are always on the floor for maintenance...NEVER a problem with the rollers. Input shafts always look perfect, no scuffing, no galling no discoloration.

Actually I did recently have a issue where I swapped in a different shortblock into my Duster. I ran it for a while and then would miss a shift every now and then. As it turned out the crank had a bit of wear and the roller popped out. So the input was unsupported. No catastrophic failure... Just a missed shift. On the engine I ended up putting a bushing in it.

I'm thinking if the roller is being blamed for catastrophic failure the car has other problems
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By moparpoolman
just bought one last week, looks just like the picture

NATIONAL PB286HD

http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=221635&cc=1078859&jsn=436

Magnet does not stick to it. Seems to me what the OP is looking for. beer
Posted By: wally426ci

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/02/18 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By moparpoolman
Originally Posted By moparpoolman
just bought one last week, looks just like the picture

NATIONAL PB286HD

http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=221635&cc=1078859&jsn=436

Magnet does not stick to it. Seems to me what the OP is looking for. beer


Picking it up today just to have it on the shelf in case. Thank you!
Posted By: EWJ

Re: Looking for a TRUE Bronze Pilot bushing - 03/04/18 04:53 AM

Originally Posted By scatpacktom
Tell me MORE about these Roller Failures? Especially the catastrophic ones.

For 15 years I have used them in all my cars. Most of those cars get the snot whipped out of them. Transmissions are always on the floor for maintenance...NEVER a problem with the rollers. Input shafts always look perfect, no scuffing, no galling no discoloration.

Actually I did recently have a issue where I swapped in a different shortblock into my Duster. I ran it for a while and then would miss a shift every now and then. As it turned out the crank had a bit of wear and the roller popped out. So the input was unsupported. No catastrophic failure... Just a missed shift. On the engine I ended up putting a bushing in it.

I'm thinking if the roller is being blamed for catastrophic failure the car has other problems


My 01 2500 5.9 Magnum Ram had the roller come apart- preventing clutch disengagement as the rollers got swedged between the bearing case and input shaft. Was lucky that it was late at night and only 20 miles from home: was able to time the lights and such in order to get home. Galled the input shaft a little bit in the process.

Am not a roller set up basher (am running it in two old Mopars): am just passing along a failure instance.
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