Freon

Was at Walmart today to buy some Freon for a project. They have a 12oz can for $5 = Floron 134a, and they have a 12oz can for $15 = synthetic refrigerant R134a. Besides the $, whats the difference???

If you google the question you will find that the synthetic is just a marketing gimmick. Save yourself some money and by the cheaper one. Remember it is sold by weight.
Also the term "Freon" is actually a long time trade name of DuPont's for the CFC refrigerants that they invented back in 1930.
134a is a HFC refrigerant, irregardless for years the term Freon has been used by the public as a generic name for all refrigerants.
Just like Xerox and Kleenex have been. So much for the history lesson......

As of Jan 1 2018 it is now illegal to purchase more than 2 12 oz cans of 134a refrigerant. We just sat through a class in November that ay you must now be certified.

You were supposed to be certified years ago.Had to take a test when i was at the shop like 25 years or so ago to do AC ans supposdly to buy freon.Never was asked about it.Going to 134 was one of the biggest jokes ever.Wonder what they will come up with when the patents run out on it.Rocky

You never had to be certified for 134a, they suggested years ago to get it but now the retailers are subject to fine if they sell to non certified people, in quantities of two 12 oz cans or more.

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Seems we were mislead in the class. We were told in quantities of 2 cans or more. NOT true. Seems that we can buy as many cans as we want at once without certification. The containers must be 2lbs or more.

Sounds like a left over Obama rule
Hopefully Pres. Trump will reverse this one too
Do any of you on here remember the big concern about the hole in the Ozone layer in the southern hemisphere, supposedly caused by Freon back in the mid 1980s ?
Another environmental hoax

Cab the Ozone hole was total BS.Seems after they oushed 134 thru a few years later they found out the hole opens and closes and has done it for centurys.Seems pretty much the same people that tell you the caps will melt told us this.Funny they cant be correct telling what weather will be a week from now bt they can tell you what it will be like 100 years from now.Rocky

Around here it seems like weather ppl can't even predict the weather 1 hour ahead of time, LOL!!!!!

You do realize they are melting at a record,pace?

So true... We have a local station now giving 10 day forecasts. Useless information. My wife calls it "more fake news".

It depends on where you get your news as to weather you believe the ice caps are melting. When ice melts in a glass of water does the level of the water rise?

They are always going to be melting and refreezing with or without our help.

I do believe that Solar Flares have more influence on Earths weather than many media types will tell you about
Many influential world leaders and scientist know how to make the world a better place as far as the deterioration of our worlds resources and the effect people have on the weather
Most of them don't have the backbone or will power to take the needed actions to make this happen in their own country, let alone in the rest of the world

When fresh water ice melts in a salty ocean it will displace more when melted.

Well crap. Now I'm going to have to do a dining table experiment to test this.

Actually, you are totally correct. 134a is not even an ozone depleting chemical (ODS). It is however a green house gas (GHG). OBAMA was so he** bent on controlling GHGs that he went after 134a under the ODS rules for the greater good. I believe that there are some legal actions ongoing due to his overstepping the authority granted under theses rules.

When I run out of my 134a supply I'm think about going with this stuff.

http://duracool.com/Duracool/faqs.html

I'm actually thinking about selling my 134a supply because this stuff looks so good.

An iceberg (which is fresh water) floats in an ocean approximately 10-13% of it is above the ocean. So when it melts it displaces about 13% more of the of the iceberg into the ocean. Ice in a glass of fresh water floats even with the level of the water in the glass, thereby not displacing any more than the cube itself. We all know that salt water has more buoyancy.

My memory may not have this correct, isn't sea water, salt water, denser and heavier per gallon than fresh water?
What happens to the salt when sea water evaporates from the massive solar flairs
AKA, our world purifies sea water through evaporation and returns it to us as fresh water
2/3, maybe it is 3/4, of the world is covered in water, correct
The world population is increasing all over the world, who, which area, is doing the most damage to our planet
I do know that the U.S. cleans up the air entering it from the west coast compared to when it leaves the east coast going towards Europe

I think that these posts are missing what they say is happening. The glaciers and polar ice caps that are said to be melting are on land or on top of the oceans, not in the oceans. So, the water that enters the oceans is additional water, thereby raising the ocean's level.

Please don't construe this to mean that I agree with that theory. It just seemed that it needed clarified.

Maybe Rob Wolf will chime in and settle the issue.

The oxygen molicules and other components that make water have been on our Earth since time began, no adding to what was here to start
Have you thought about what happens to the Earth when we send rockets made up of mineral, chemicals fuel and all the other things used on those rockets here into outer space to never be returned
Enough talk about not Freon, sorry OP

I seem to remember there was something going on about the actual 134A small container and how it's dispensed ??? They're changing the can's delivery system so you'll need to buy new equipment this year ???

Cab, you're still missing the point of my post. But you're right, this is off topic so this is not the place for this discussion.