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1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP

Posted By: mro

1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 04:23 PM

8 3/4 3.55 - assembly - left axle has about 1/8 play - do both axles have a button on the end ? this one doesn't and I cant remember how it came out - or did I do something else wrong - any help?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 04:31 PM

The suregrip has the 2 buttons connected with a roll pin. A non sure grip pig would have the round shiney "flats" that the axle ends butt against.
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 04:52 PM

So did I put the wrong axles with the suregrip or is the problem in the suregrip itself ? The right side fit right ? are there any diagrams you know of this showing what I need to do
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 05:27 PM

You can swap sure grip & non sure grip pigs & nothing changes on the axles so it would have to be non axle related. I would look in & see if the button is there on the offending side. You are adjusting the threaded collar on the one axle & still not enough? EDIT I've seen two different thicknesses of the white foam gasket that goes between the axle flange and the b plate, the eBay ones ($9.95 for 2 foam/2 steel iirc) are a weak 3/16" thick & iirc the felpro ones are much thinner (I cant find em at the moment).
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 05:53 PM

The axle that isn't sitting right has no buttone - just the end of the axle with a small hole
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 05:57 PM

looking in, there is no button on the pig?
Posted By: cbusters

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 05:58 PM

The "button" is in the carrier. You will need to use a flashlight and look into the spot the axle spline slides into. There will be the "button", shiny or a hole.
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 06:55 PM

Ill check - should there be a little plate on the tip of the axle?
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 06:57 PM

How do I post a pic?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 07:10 PM

nothing on the splined tip of the axle, it is cutoff square with a slight chamfering around the perimeter, just the shallow hole in the center for when they chucked it up in the lathe to machine the shaft.
Posted By: Silver70

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/25/17 07:16 PM

What case is the center section, 742, 489? 489 would have a piece in there, open or sure grip, but a 742 has the button as mention that will come out.
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/26/17 03:04 AM

Is there any chance the button fell off and is floating around ?
Posted By: cbusters

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/26/17 03:17 AM

Originally Posted By Silver70
What case is the center section, 742, 489? 489 would have a piece in there, open or sure grip, but a 742 has the button as mention that will come out.


A clutch type center would fit in many different carrier housings. I have had a early clutch type in a 489 case, so that is not a guide. The OP needs to look or have sometime "in the know" look and figure out if there is something missing. We are assuming there is an adjuster on one axle. We are assuming there are still tapered bearings on the axles. We are assuming the installed axle is seated. Too many variables right now.
Posted By: Silver70

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/26/17 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By cbusters
Originally Posted By Silver70
What case is the center section, 742, 489? 489 would have a piece in there, open or sure grip, but a 742 has the button as mention that will come out.


A clutch type center would fit in many different carrier housings. I have had a early clutch type in a 489 case, so that is not a guide. The OP needs to look or have sometime "in the know" look and figure out if there is something missing. We are assuming there is an adjuster on one axle. We are assuming there are still tapered bearings on the axles. We are assuming the installed axle is seated. Too many variables right now.


True but it's a good start to figure out the issue... It would be the first thing I would check.
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 04:42 PM

May have found the problem - one axle is 1/4 shorter then the other - buttons are in place - the axles should be the same height right? They must have got mixed up in storage
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 04:49 PM

scratch that - they are both 29 1/4
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 04:51 PM

I wouldn't think there is another app that has axles that close to B body dimentions. compare the bearing/adjuster plate, the items at the outer end of the axles, their spacing on the axle & see if you see any discrepency. are you using the thick or the thin white foam seals? If I can find my thin felpros' I will measure them compared to the thick eBay ones I (also) have.
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 06:24 PM

489 case
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 06:26 PM

I talked with the guy working on this and he said when he adjusts the right side it has no effect on the left
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 06:27 PM

- axles 29 1/4, buttons in place, 489 case, any ideas ?
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By RapidRobert
You can swap sure grip & non sure grip pigs & nothing changes on the axles so it would have to be non axle related.


Early 8 3/4's, with two piece axles, do have different lengths between SG and non-SG applications. But that's not what the OP has (I hope).
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 08:03 PM

Originally Posted By mro
- axles 29 1/4, buttons in place, 489 case, any ideas ?


What sure grip do you have , the case don't matter unless you know for a fact that it has never been messed with .

489 would have come from the factory with a Cone type , no buttons , just a thrust block that can't fall out.

Clutch type has buttons and they can fall out when the axles are pulled, the roll pin is an assembly aid , after many thousands of corner turns it will eventually break , it's not a potential problem till an axle is pulled.

What sure grip does it have ?
Posted By: mro

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 08:37 PM

It came out of a 1971 cuda - 3.55 - unmolested - 489 case
Posted By: NANKET

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/27/17 09:59 PM

Different length axles for open and SG are 1964 and older with the tapered axle & nut.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 1969 B body rear assembly problems HELP - 03/28/17 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By mro
It came out of a 1971 cuda - 3.55 - unmolested - 489 case


Then it's a puke cone type ... No buttons, just a thrust block that can't come out unless the sure grips is completely disassembled.

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