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Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference?

Posted By: WyleECoyote

Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 02:54 PM

So my boss is restoring his 99 TAH0E (yeah, you read that right) and he is painting all of his ancillary small parts with Rust-oleum, DupliColor, or whatever shelf brand spray paint is available.

I am painstakingly going through the task of doing all of my small parts by mixing and shooting with a gun.

Am I wasting my time?

What's the difference between the two paint types and methods?

Will one last longer? Is one tougher or more durable?

Just thought I'd ask and see if anyone here has an opinion (LOL).

Thanks!
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 03:03 PM

Wait till your boss needs to clean or especially de-grease those spray bombed parts.

I don't spray bomb anything under my hood that is important. There are just too many things that can damage the finish or that will cause the paint to fail completely.

Spraying with 2 part paint with a gun is a pain, but is worth the effort in the long run.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 03:12 PM

Spray paint has zip for durability compared to a 2-part paint. If you're painting something that doesn't matter, fine. If it's something that will see wear or chemicals, it will be a problem.
Posted By: moparx

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Spray paint has zip for durability compared to a 2-part paint. If you're painting something that doesn't matter, fine. If it's something that will see wear or chemicals, it will be a problem.

yet many praise stuff available in rattle cans from many restoration supply companies for many high "abuse" areas such as under hood and suspension items. are these sold only for "trailer queens" ? the adds for such products suggest not. and this does not include etching primer or two part paints available in rattle cans. so how can someone come to a correct conclusion for their needs ?
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Posted By: dvw

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 03:39 PM

Spray a part with rattle and urethane with a gun. Then spray with brakleen or carb clean. You will have the answer. I have motors and suspensions running around well over 10 years, still look like new. We're talking control arms, axles, intake manifolds, etc.
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Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 04:05 PM

All I can say is this guys, I've worked with rattle cans since the early 70's. The products out today are superior even to those lead based rattlers of yesteryear. I myself have painted K-members, shocks, rear ends, under chassis and small parts with Epoxy based rattlers or good old Rust-oLeum and others.

Like any paint job, prep and cleanness, application and flash dry times, and a reasonable amount of light coats and sanding in between and a top clear coat makes for a beautiful product. Do they hold up to chemicals, most do if applied correctly.
Chip wise, epoxy baked products have been durable, but still may chip on an occasion. Trust me when I say that.
The secret to painting most small items with spray paint is the type of cap that is used. Some caps can spray almost as wide as some spray guns and that makes for an even steven coat.
Keep your distance and apply a few light coats in between, that will get you there. Good luck.
Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 04:11 PM

Biggest difference between the two is the ability to catalyze the paints being sprayed through a gun. This enables the finish to produce a harder and more durable surface that will stand up to more physical abuse, chemical abuse, UV, high pressure wash, etc. Spray cans typically can't be catalyzed because the paint would set up and become unsprayable because it hardens. Although I think Eastwood does offer a catalyzing rattle can now days. But I doubt it can be used more than once.

Yes, many modern rattle can finishes are decent, but simply won't match the longevity of a two part finish. Never mind the ability of a gun to provide better coverage, better atomization, and more control over the application process.

If you want to do it once and plan on keeping the car for a long time, and don't mind the associated clean up, use 2 part paints. If you're preparing for a quick sale and don't care what it looks like when its out of sight or like to redo parts every few years, spray bomb it.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By fullmetaljacket
All I can say is this guys, I've worked with rattle cans since the early 70's. The products out today are superior even to those lead based rattlers of yesteryear. I myself have painted K-members, shocks, rear ends, under chassis and small parts with Epoxy based rattlers or good old Rust-oLeum and others.

Like any paint job, prep and cleanness, application and flash dry times, and a reasonable amount of light coats and sanding in between and a top clear coat makes for a beautiful product. Do they hold up to chemicals, most do if applied correctly.
Chip wise, epoxy baked products have been durable, but still may chip on an occasion. Trust me when I say that.
The secret to painting most small items with spray paint is the type of cap that is used. Some caps can spray almost as wide as some spray guns and that makes for an even steven coat.
Keep your distance and apply a few light coats in between, that will get you there. Good luck.





I think you'll be the "lone wolf" on your opinion when it comes to spray bomb vs spray gun
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 06:39 PM

Catalyzed paint is molecularly different than non-catalyzed. Its molecularly 'cross-linked'. Google it. FAR superior for the reasons stated than a rattle can.

That's one of the reasons the 'Rustoleum' paint jobs are such a joke.
Even low end two part paints like Omni and Nason are far superior.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By moparx

yet many praise stuff available in rattle cans from many restoration supply companies for many high "abuse" areas such as under hood and suspension items.


It's called marketing. Companies are good at it. In the end, a 2-part paint will be superior in chemical resistance as well as scratch and chip resistance. They are usually more expensive and much more of a pain to do all the setup and cleanup after the fact. I use spray paint for certain things, sure, just be sure to appreciate the limitations of the product before buying it.
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By fullmetaljacket
All I can say is this guys, I've worked with rattle cans since the early 70's. The products out today are superior even to those lead based rattlers of yesteryear. I myself have painted K-members, shocks, rear ends, under chassis and small parts with Epoxy based rattlers or good old Rust-oLeum and others.

Like any paint job, prep and cleanness, application and flash dry times, and a reasonable amount of light coats and sanding in between and a top clear coat makes for a beautiful product. Do they hold up to chemicals, most do if applied correctly.
Chip wise, epoxy baked products have been durable, but still may chip on an occasion. Trust me when I say that.
The secret to painting most small items with spray paint is the type of cap that is used. Some caps can spray almost as wide as some spray guns and that makes for an even steven coat.
Keep your distance and apply a few light coats in between, that will get you there. Good luck.





I think you'll be the "lone wolf" on your opinion when it comes to spray bomb vs spray gun



No he won't...

Got 20+ years on rattle-can engine, suspension components...


Cleaned and degreased many times over the years...


Holding-up fine...
Posted By: Silver70

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/21/16 07:03 PM

Eastwood I believe sells spray paints in a can that are catalyzed... which would solve the biggest issue with spray cans. For me, it depends on the part. Suspension and etc... always gets done with a gun and better quality paint. Engines, I still spray paint now and then, but only for the color, I will use something more durable underneath.
Posted By: DARTH V8Я

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
I think you'll be the "lone wolf" on your opinion when it comes to spray bomb vs spray gun

High grime areas. Sprayed lower control arms & brake calipers with rustoleum red spray can, aluminum on the diff cover. Other the a few
chips on the LCA, 4 years later still looks like new. It's all in the careful preparation. Lucky? Dunno. Whatever the reason I'm satisfied.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 03:49 AM

So I sprayed some suspension pieces with epoxy primer then some Omni and one piece got some runs I couldn't live with. I waited till the paint dried then put it in my blast cabinet. That dulled the finish. I then gave it to my buddy to throw in his hot tank. Two days did nothing. I had some pieces going to a chemical stripper so I gave him that as well. Of all the pieces I gave them they mentioned this piece in particular needed extra time in the tanks.

I know for a fact that anything from a spray bomb would have come off in my blast cabinet !!
Posted By: 68-scatpack-rt

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 03:54 AM

No comparison!
As has already been said, it's all about the catalyst.
Rattle cans are no match for real paint.
It's so easy to shoot paint (talking suspension and underhood stuff) that there is zero reason to spend lots of time preparing parts and then to apply 6 dollar a can paint.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 04:12 AM

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No comparison!
As has already been said, it's all about the catalyst.
Rattle cans are no match for real paint.
It's so easy to shoot paint (talking suspension and underhood stuff) that there is zero reason to spend lots of time preparing parts and then to apply 6 dollar a can paint.
iagree Took me many tries but I have come to realization that spray cans just don`t hold up. I tried many different ways.
Posted By: ridin98ci

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 04:23 AM

the magic brand stuff from rural king and TSC is good stuff....dries rock hard AND holds up to cleaners and such....one drawback is it takes a long time to dry but its worth it
Posted By: keith airgrabber

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 05:26 AM

I spray all my engines with Mopar engine paint. very durable stuff.

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Posted By: DARTH V8Я

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/22/16 05:28 AM

Originally Posted By keith airgrabber
I spray all my engines with Mopar engine paint. very durable stuff.

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Posted By: Exit1965

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 03:34 AM

I use rustoleum, various versions, for engine block, small parts, e.g. alternator bracket, suspension etc. and it works fine and chemicals haven't seemed to be a problem.

Urethane, 1 or 2 part, has a better gloss for sure.

If I had all my small parts ready and could paint them all at once, it might make sense to mix up catalyzed paint. But to cover/protect something as you go, rattle can!
Posted By: JAMESDART

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 10:12 AM

I still think this is weird, around 2000 i wanted to put a set of police wheels on my dart. It was like a sleeper with old faded out peeling away light blue paint. I wanted the wheels body color but i had no ability to spray with real paint at the time. Also a nice paint would have looked out of place. I found a toucn up paint at pep boys that was so close i had to try it. I glass beaded the wheels, primer paint and clear. I think I used one can of color per wheel hopoing they would hold up. 10 years later i had the car painted i did the wheels myself. Took them to a place to have them sand blasted but the guy said he could just hot tank them and they would come out really nice for cheaper and they would be ready in a day or 2. I went back 3 days later and the guy asked what the heck kind of paint or what is that on them??? It was taking forever in the hot tank he showed them to me sitting in the hot tank. I never would have thought that paint would have been that tough. I still have 2 wheels with slicks and that sprsycan job.

Then i started spraying all my chassis parts with rust oleum from a can thinned out. it seemed like good practice with a spray gun and seemed better than rattlecan. At least you could get a good buildup. I used it on an engine in my 30s car once. Even on that it actually held up better than any spray can engine paint I have used.I had my doubts it was going to work out for that.

One day in tsc I decided to try the tractor primer and paint they sell. It says you can use with or without the optional hardener but I tried it once without and it stayed wet for days. So I've been using a satin black with the hardener on everything. its pretty cheap and it seems to hold up better than the rust oleum. I used it on all of my suspension parts and the dana 44s on my trail jeep. I also used it on a steel wheels and some other stuff on my wife's jeep. I think those were a good test for it. Water, mud, sand, rocks, snow and road salt with daily driver abuse.
Posted By: mopar383

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 12:49 PM

I work around industrial vehicles every day. Equipment that is out in the field taking abuse like your old car will never see. We use rattle cans a lot. Not the .99 stuff, but good quality high solid rattle cans. The stuff holds up like you would not believe. Like it was mentioned earlier the prep work is the key
Posted By: TooMany62s

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 01:36 PM

No doubt rattle cans win the convenience contest. Powder coat wins the durability contest. Catalyzed spray wins the appearance contest. Which one to use depends on the results you want and how much you want to spend. Attached is a picture of my old '62 sedan. With the exception of the block the engine was powder coated.

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Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 02:17 PM

Years ago I bought a motorcycle that had side covers that were red and the tank was black. So I bought a couple bottles of black touch up paint and an air brush setup. The bottom barrel kit that used cans of compressed air.

Did a good job repainting the side covers. That might be an option for those no interested in a full scale paint rig. Summit sells automotive paint for a reasonable price, like $25 for a quart. Airbrush kit like I used is $132 with canned air.
Posted By: minivan

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 04:51 PM

I have had really good luck with the Eastwood rattle cans for durability and color options...

If you want to use "gun" paint, go buy a couple of gravity feed guns from Harbor Freight..

The small ( regular style, not the "finger" kind) can be had cheap ( Under $10 with coupon) and does a great job for primer/paint on smaller items... The gravity guns are really easy to clean ( I just spray some lacquer thinner through them) When it wears out just throw it away.. Had really good luck with them....
Posted By: DARTH V8Я

Re: Rattle Can vs Paint Out Of A Gun; What's The Difference? - 04/23/16 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By TooMany62s
No doubt rattle cans win the convenience contest. Powder coat wins the durability contest. Catalyzed spray wins the appearance contest. Which one to use depends on the results you want and how much you want to spend. Attached is a picture of my old '62 sedan. With the exception of the block the engine was powder coated.

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