Posted By: TrueTripleX
Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/05/15 09:51 PM
Have a 383 A/T with new edelbrock. Even with the idle set at 1500, when I drop the car in gear it stalls and immediately dies. No major cam or any radical race parts on the motor and tranny is stock (it MAY have a higher stall converter- but not certain - just got the car). Any suggestions or thoughts?
Posted By: GTX MATT
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/05/15 09:55 PM
Whats the initial timing, at 800 rpm not 1500?
Posted By: GTX MATT
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/05/15 10:17 PM
Sounds like you may have a vacuum leak or possible other issue.
What kind of ignition? What kind of intake? How does it respond when you hit the gas? Did you just change the carb? Is the choke hooked up? Did you buy it like this?
Posted By: YO7_A66
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/05/15 11:07 PM
Possible vacuum leak or your carb is way too lean on the idle circuit. After you confirm no vacuum leaks, then richen up your metering screws and try to put it into gear. If that helps, then keep richen it up until you can get it to idle at a decent rpm in D.
With an auto, you can tweak the carb (after ignition is good) in N to get you close. Then you need to finish your carb tuning in D. Keep tuning your mixture screws to achieve your best vaccum in D at your rpm required.
Posted By: TooMany62s
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/05/15 11:22 PM
You mentioned "new Edelbrock". If not being used did you plug the vacuum port in the rear of the baseplate along with any other unused ports? Correct base gasket?
Posted By: RapidRobert
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/06/15 12:09 AM
I ain't discounting a vac leak but 14 initial at 1100 RPM ain't enough especially as I think you'd be into the springs at that point. (what springs are in there?). I'd turn the dampener till the slit is at 20 deg BTDC then turn dist till the magnet is dead even with the tooth. You might pull the top & confirm floats are 7/16"
Posted By: cruzin
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/06/15 12:23 AM
A low or improper float level may react this way. Ask me how I know!
Posted By: VincentVega
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/07/15 11:14 PM
Block off the vacuum advance to the distributor and set your timing that way. Many times people set their base timing with the vac advance actuated, giving them a false reading. When you put the car in gear, the RPM drops, the vacuum drops, and your timing retards.
Posted By: moparjim79
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/08/15 01:24 PM
It sounds exactly like a bad torque converter, very surprised no one on here mentioned that.
Posted By: moparmarks
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/08/15 02:47 PM
First off, did it do this with the old carb and intake?
Sounds like it is not on the idle circuit.
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/08/15 09:00 PM
Check the baseplate sealing. Sometimes carb linkage will hit manifolds, especially pass side, and it can be very slight. Make sure there is no interference.
Huge idle speed drops like that are likely timing related. Another clue is run on after the key is shut off. Not enough initial timing.
Do the idle mixture screws make any difference in how the car runs? If not, what I would do. Set idle mixture screws to 1.5 turns out from bottomed.
DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR AFTER DOING EITHER OF THESE UNTIL TOTAL TIMING IS SORTED OUT.
Advance timing until the starter kicks back or strain really hard, then back it off a smidge. Start car and see if you can get idle speed to a reasonable range 800-1000. Adjust idle mix screws and speed. See if it still lugs down. Cams like the 509 are a PIA for RPM dropping because of the low vacuum to start with, especially with stock converters. See where idle timing is for the point just short of starter kickback. This is about where the idle timing should be.
OR
Start the car, vac adv disconnected/plugged, and sneak up on setting timing to 36*. DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR. If the engine races to a really high rpm turn the idle speed screw out as you feed timing in. Try to keep idle about the same as it is now.
Once at 36*, start slowly turning the idle set screw out lowering idle speed. See if you can get the idle down below 1000 rpm. If you turn it out and the engine makes a sudden drop in rpm, check timing.
Still at the original setting? If not, it dropped out some mechanical timing. Reset it to original 36* and continue turning idle speed screw.
If you can get it to idle in a decent range 800-1000, the issue likely is timing related. Check that the you have control of the idle mixture screws.
This whole test should take no more than about 5 minutes.
If you don't know the cam in your car, that's another issue. A good baseline idle timing for most mopars is in the 14-18 range depending on engine. More camshaft = more idle timing.
Set timing at 16-18, if it's a raspy cam, 20-26, and screw idle speed screw in/out until you hit the new found idle speed 800-1000.
Posted By: 72N96RR
Re: Stalls when dropped in gear - 01/08/15 10:51 PM
I had the same problem and it turned out to be a vacuum issue...