1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ????

1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 05:54 PM

I am in the process of restoring a 1970 RR FM3. I noticed it has a 4Spd pedal bracket in the fire wall. It has always been my understanding this bracket was only applied to 4Spd cars. Wondering if anyone else has run accross this on an Auto car.

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Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 05:55 PM

pic 2

Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 05:56 PM

Original floor pedal and column pic1

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Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 05:56 PM

Original floor pedal and column

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Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 05:57 PM

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Posted By: skicker

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 05:58 PM

They all have the firewall reinforcement plate behind the master cylinder. Auto and 4sp alike.

Posted By: BMChrysler68

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:02 PM

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Original floor pedal and column pic1

Did someone's body do that to the steering wheel?

Posted By: skicker

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:03 PM

70 Auto firewall...

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Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:07 PM

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They all have the firewall reinforcement plate behind the master cylinder. Auto and 4sp alike.

The bracket to the right of the master that supports the 4spd pedal is the question.

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Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:15 PM

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Original floor pedal and column pic1

Did someone's body do that to the steering wheel?

It had to of been damaged when the car spent time in Texas Acres. There is no frame damage that supports a crash that would cause the wheel to collapse like that.

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Posted By: moparfan53

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:37 PM

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They all have the firewall reinforcement plate behind the master cylinder. Auto and 4sp alike.

The bracket to the right of the master that supports the 4spd pedal is the question.

I attached the pic below just so everyone understands which piece you are asking about.

Is there a fender tag to confirm codes?

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Posted By: BMChrysler68

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:46 PM

Rust is a weird thing. The heavy gauge stuff looks ultra-crusty with deep pits and corrosion; but the sheetmetal looks to be in decent shape. It's almost like it chose to go after the meatier stuff first. Science.

Posted By: I_bleed_MOPAR

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:46 PM

I think that some got it regardless of transmission. I've converted several auto trans. cars to 4 spds. and only had to hang the clutch pedal and swap the brake pedal.

Tim

Posted By: BMChrysler68

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:49 PM

Maybe they realized later in production that they could accomplish the same thing with one part #. Or, because the manual trans was standard in the B-body, they had more of them laying around.

This is all assuming that the manual trans assembly is all one piece with two extra bolts in the firewall, of course. I'm not familiar with the B-body assemblies.

Posted By: RoadRunner

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 06:52 PM

I haven't seen them on auto cars for 68 and 69. I would think that the factory wouldn't use the part unless needed. If they could save a few cents by not having that bracket there, they would. Most likely a mistake. Its hard to tell, but is the a bracket welded to the top of the frame rail down under the master cylinder?

Posted By: booger

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 07:01 PM

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I haven't seen them on auto cars for 68 and 69. I would think that the factory wouldn't use the part unless needed. If they could save a few cents by not having that bracket there, they would. Most likely a mistake. Its hard to tell, but is the a bracket welded to the top of the frame rail down under the master cylinder?

I had a 70 gTx converted auto to 4-speed and it had the reinforcement. Based on the rest of the work involved in the conversion, I'd bet good money the bracket was there before it was changed to a manual trans.

Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 07:15 PM

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Its hard to tell, but is the a bracket welded to the top of the frame rail down under the master cylinder?

Clean with no signs of ever having the z-bar pivot bracket installed. All of the original auto linkage is still there.

Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/23/14 07:49 PM

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They all have the firewall reinforcement plate behind the master cylinder. Auto and 4sp alike.

The bracket to the right of the master that supports the 4spd pedal is the question.

I attached the pic below just so everyone understands which piece you are asking about.

Is there a fender tag to confirm codes?

When I saw the bracket it excited me to think this was a manual trans RR. When I looked for more evidence and found none, because all of the auto peices are in place with no chance of this being a manual shift RR other than the bracket. I now questioned my beliefs regarding other B-Bodies that I have seen with the bracket.

Posted By: okie

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/24/14 03:50 PM

I will look at mine later but I'm thinking it doesn't have that bracket on it

Posted By: 64dodge572

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/24/14 04:38 PM

I think it was just an assembly line goof up.

Posted By: okie

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/24/14 08:04 PM

I went and checked mine late build 70 RoadRunner and it does not have that bracket on it. It does have the dimples in the firewall where it goes.

Posted By: I_bleed_MOPAR

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/24/14 09:05 PM

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I think it was just an assembly line goof up.

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This.

Like I said, some got it and some didn't. Friday or Monday build, maybe? In a hurry on Friday and couldn't read the build on Monday.

Tim

Posted By: carhunter

Re: 1970 RR Auto with a 4Spd pedal bracket ???? - 12/24/14 09:34 PM

mine was a late Jan. build and does not have it just the dipples.However, I do have the part for a column shift even though it's a factory console shift so I guess you never know what might be added or not.

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