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backfiring through carb

Posted By: Bdrainy

backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 12:21 AM

Hi all,

I just swapped out my cam in my 70 road runner and I am now getting a backfiring through the carb. I know the usual reason are lean, vacuum leak, timing, or valve train issues.

I changed the cam without pulling the engine and when I put the distributor back in and went to fire it up I somehow ended really really advanced. It was kicking back against the starting but it ran just wouldn't idle.

So I retarded the timing and it starts up and runs fine. But if I rev up the engine it backfires through the carb. I can bring the rpms up slowly and it seems fine, but if I stab at the gas it backfires.


I have not had a chance the mess with it too much, but was looking for any tips on what to check for besides what I listed above. I will throw a vacuum gauge on it tonight also, but what should I look for on that and what will it tell me exactly.
Posted By: Posest

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 12:38 AM

Check, check and double check your firing order and wire location. It is opposite of a small block as far as rotation. After all the years of doing this stuff you tend to get lax. I know because I did just that.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 12:41 AM

Firing order first. Then pull the wires one at a time to see if you can tell what cylinder it is.

New or used cam and lifters?
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 12:52 AM

It is a used cam, from a previous motor I had. Ran fine when I pulled it. I only ran it about 500 miles or so. New lifters though.

Didn't think of pulling each plug one at a time. I am really hoping that I didn't wipe a cam lobe.


Could it have hurt anything when it was really advanced and kicking back against the starter?
Posted By: MNobody

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 12:59 AM

If it's got a Holley carb you might have blown a PV if it backfired and doesn't have protection. But i believe you would have a rich condition if it did.
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 01:03 AM

it does have a holley carb, but I thought they had some type of protection in them now that prevents the pv from being blown....?
Posted By: BigBird

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 02:42 AM

Sounds like the chain is off a tooth or two....
Posted By: 05dakota

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 02:42 AM

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Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 02:49 AM

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More what...? You think the chain might be off more than a tooth or two?

That is a easy enough fix, but I just hate to pull the whole front end off again....
Posted By: BigBird

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 03:02 AM

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More what...? You think the chain might be off more than a tooth or two?

That is a easy enough fix, but I just hate to pull the whole front end off again....




When a chain jumps a tooth you can make it run by changing the timing but it will have no power. It will act like yours sounds. Not saying that you got it off but I would suspect it as you have just had it all apart and changed the cam. I would hate to pull it all apart also but if all else fails that is where I would look.
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 03:20 AM

Thanks for replies. I got some garage time ahead of me.
Posted By: aarcuda

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 03:33 AM

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Firing order first. Then pull the wires one at a time to see if you can tell what cylinder it is.

New or used cam and lifters?




check the firing order. im telling you it GO CHECK IT.

it got me this summer. 5 and 7 were swapped and it backfired like no tomorrow.
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 03:35 AM

Yeah, I will check everything I possibly can before I pull the front end the motor apart again...
Posted By: CoyoteJack

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/07/09 04:40 PM

If you can't find a couple of wires in the wrong spot, then I think BigBird nailed it. I did this once when I was in to much of a hurry and the engine acted exactly like you discribe. Ended up that I had lined up the timing mark on the cam sprocket with one of the dimples on the crank sproket, not the timing mark. I was very lucky not to bend any valves and after I fixed the problem the engine worked perfectly.

Jack
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/15/09 10:01 PM

Ok, so I finally got back out the garage checked the firing order and everything was as it should be.

I ended up taking the front end apart and made sure the timing marks were lined, they were. But I pulled the timing chain off and re installed it just to make sure.

I got it all back together and fired it up and it runs a lot better now...but there is still a couple issues.

The first is the timing mark is jumping and it seems rythmic. The timing will be there then every second or two is dissappears and the comes back....

I took it for a spin around the block and if I accelerate normal everything seems fine, but if I put my foot into it backfires.

Is this my timing chain is toast? or a vacuum leak? I did throw my vacuum gauge on it and at idle in gear the vacuum gauge showed 15 and it pretty steady..... I threw in the towel late last night and am going to step away from it for a day or two, but any ideas would be great! thanks - Brian
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/15/09 11:47 PM

As you may notice, I am not much on posting, and I have not been here in a while, but I am sure some of the seasoned gear heads can answer the question as to the resutls of a cam without proper valve spring pressure?

Rob (First post!) :-)
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 12:28 AM

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The first is the timing mark is jumping and it seems rythmic. The timing will be there then every second or two is dissappears and the comes back.... Brian


When I have experienced that it was from the timing light not clamped on securely. EDIT I keep coming back to secondary ign related or vac leak in that order
Posted By: buildanother

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 12:39 AM

Where are you setting the base timing at? (degrees)
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 01:31 AM

trying to set it at 15 intitial, but it was hard with it bouncing. It was at the end of a long day, so i just as i started getting frustrated, i decided it was a good time stop for the night.

IF i had a vacuum leak, wouldn't my vacuum gauge been all over the place? it was steady at 15....
Posted By: buildanother

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 02:17 AM

Steady 15 sounds good especially if a non stock cam.
Posted By: rrunner

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 02:22 AM

What are the specs on the cam? If it's not bumpy 15in of vacuum is late ign. timing and it would do what you say it's doing. Whats you total timing at?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 03:04 AM

A slight vac leak will still let it stay steady(usually just a bit lower of a reading) as there's no intermittent interruption in the intake tract(which would make the vac gauge jump around) only that the mixture air/fuel ratio in the intake tract is now off enough to cause driveability issues. but if it got lean enough to cause a lean misfire then that would cause the gauge to dive for a split second as that cyl didn't do it's job.
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/16/09 05:05 AM

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What are the specs on the cam? If it's not bumpy 15in of vacuum is late ign. timing and it would do what you say it's doing. Whats you total timing at?




It is the comp cams XE275HL. here are the specs:

Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 231
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 237
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 231 int./237 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration: 275
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 287
Advertised Duration: 275 int./287 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.525 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.525 in.
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/17/09 08:22 PM

Are you still using points? sounds like a bad distributor to me. Do you have the vacuum advance hooked up?? It should be on ported vacuum and not manifold. manifold will make it backfire when letting off as it pulls the timing a way up.
Posted By: moparhinck

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/17/09 10:11 PM

if your carb goes lean it will backfire on you, and since it doesn't pop when you ease into it, I would look there
Posted By: kenworth_goose

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/17/09 10:53 PM

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Sounds like the chain is off a tooth or two....




chain off one or two teeth will never make it pop through the carb. I used to run all of my 318's one tooth fast and boy does it make one run good. Check the valve springs. Pull the rockers and see if you can push any of them open with your hand.
Posted By: Bdrainy

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/22/09 09:14 PM

Well I seem to have fixed the issue. It ran a lot better after I pulled everything off and reinstalled the timing chain, but was still backfiring under hard acceleration.

I made the mistake of setting the initial timing with the vacuum advance hooked up. I realized this and as soon as I unhooked it, my timing dropped from 15 to 5 initial... I reset the timing to 15 and took it for a ride (with the vacuum advance still unhooked and capped off) and it ran great. I still haven't hooked it back up yet.

Thanks all for the help in what to look for! As always, it is appreciated. - Brian
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: backfiring through carb - 01/22/09 09:35 PM

Good for you.
I am glad it wasn't something to painful$.
Just goes to show you we all forget things from time to time. Hook that advance back up and go have some fun.
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