Posted By: 694406
Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 09:30 PM
I've had this piece in my rafters for years. It's a Cuda but with round cut outs. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Odd Cuda rear valance?
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 09:38 PM
Dual exhaust car without tip. Turn downs.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
Maybe 340 72-74 Barracuda (non 'Cuda) got turn downs too? Not familiar with those cars.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
Maybe 340 72-74 Barracuda (non 'Cuda) got turn downs too? Not familiar with those cars.
Posted By: CUDAJAS
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 09:44 PM
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Dual exhaust car without tip. Turn downs.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
Maybe 340 72-74 Barracuda (non 'Cuda) got turn downs too? Not familiar with those cars.
I have that on my 74.
Original single exhaust car I believe.
Also AAR cuda's had those rear valances. Not really all that odd.
Jason
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 10:01 PM
Depth of the cutouts seem to be different on repros?
Do the cutouts look more shallow installed on a car?
Do the cutouts look more shallow installed on a car?
Posted By: 694406
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 10:08 PM
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I have that on my 74.
Original single exhaust car I believe.
Also AAR cuda's had those rear valances. Not really all that odd.
Jason
AARs had solid valances with no cutouts.
Posted By: 318 Stroker
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 10:50 PM
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Depth of the cutouts seem to be different on repros?
Do the cutouts look more shallow installed on a car?
I'd say more than the depth is different. The entire profile of the bottom edge seems to be way off.
Posted By: mopar346
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 11:27 PM
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I have that on my 74.
Original single exhaust car I believe.
Also AAR cuda's had those rear valances. Not really all that odd.
Jason
AARs had solid valances with no cutouts.
My original had slight cut outs and from what I have researched that was normal. Batalson sold me an NOS one that he said to be correct for the AAR and it has the same slight cut outs. I'll see if I can find a picture from back int he day.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/23/14 11:52 PM
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I have that on my 74.
Original single exhaust car I believe.
Also AAR cuda's had those rear valances. Not really all that odd.
Jason
AARs had solid valances with no cutouts.
My original had slight cut outs and from what I have researched that was normal. Batalson sold me an NOS one that he said to be correct for the AAR and it has the same slight cut outs. I'll see if I can find a picture from back int he day.
That's what's confusing. Why have slight dual cutouts and then deep dual cutouts?
It would seem to make more sense to have just one passenger side small cutout for single exhaust. Unless it was just done for visual balance. But one side would have a tail pipe and the other side not.
Posted By: moparmarks
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 12:00 AM
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Dual exhaust car without tip. Turn downs.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
Maybe 340 72-74 Barracuda (non 'Cuda) got turn downs too? Not familiar with those cars.
70/1 N code cars can have the tips along with 340 cars but not on Calf. cars.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 12:11 AM
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Dual exhaust car without tip. Turn downs.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
Maybe 340 72-74 Barracuda (non 'Cuda) got turn downs too? Not familiar with those cars.
70/1 N code cars can have the tips along with 340 cars but not on Calf. cars.
But what about NON 'Cuda models. I'm talking flat hooded Barracuda and Gran Coupes could get the 330 horsepower (blue painted) low performance 4 barrel with automatic. Seems like 4speeds got the orange 335hp motor.
Actually I think 383 and 340 'Cudas did have tips in California. Maybe someone could varify. I've seen a lot of original cars out here that did have tips. It's the larger Hemi, 440-6v, and 44-4v cars that needed the noise reduction package (U,V,R codes).
6bblgt did a whole spread sheet on this topic for 70 cars. It's pretty complicated deal.
71 Challenger 383 R/T did have tips in California. I own one and it had original tips and hangers. I assume 71 'Cudas were the same
I know of a California 71 N Code 383 HiPo orange motor Challenger (non R/T) with no tips. I don't know if they were and option in 71. Or they might come standard with 340 JH (non R/T) cars standard like they did in 70 Challenger 340 A66 cars??
70-71 'Cuda were the only way to get tips through the valence. The 340 motor was not offered in non 'Cuda models in 70/71. But there are reported 70 Barracuda 340's out there.
Very confusing subject.
Posted By: mopar346
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 12:42 AM
You can see them here if you look close. It actually had regular duals on it in the 80s.
Posted By: moparmarks
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 01:12 AM
Sorry Steve I was thinking Cuda and didn't catch that you were talking about Barracudas.
Posted By: cudaized
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 01:15 AM
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I've had this piece in my rafters for years. It's a Cuda but with round cut outs. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks!
That is a 1970 version of the non Chrome Exhaust tip rear valance. The lower edge gives it away in pictures. Holding it in your hand gives it away. It is heavier then the 71-74 version.
If you turn if over and look at the rear side. You will not see the two vertical braces, as are found in 71-74 and the reproduction version.
Posted By: cudaized
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 01:19 AM
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Dual exhaust car without tip. Turn downs.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
The BS23 models got the N41 and the N42 Chrome Exhaust Tips, even in CA.
The exception were the hemi and 440-6 cars. The noise package only applied to the R and V codes sold and registered new in CA.
Posted By: toplescuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 01:25 AM
My 70 383 2bbl barracuda has that valance. It didnt come with chrome tips and is a single exhaust car
Posted By: cudaized
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 01:29 AM
70 vs 71 Non-N42 Chrome Exhaust Tips rear valances.
The depth looks deeper in the 1970 valance. However, it is the same height. Reference the recess area for the lower mounting screw hole. The top of the round exhaust cutout are the same height.
Take a look at the bottom of the 71 valance. The bottom has been modified (by the factory) for the 71-74 models.
Apparently, in 1970, there was something about the rear leaf springs hitting/bending the bottom of the 1970 valance. So the factory modified it. Kind of like the hemi fenders...make it work.
The depth looks deeper in the 1970 valance. However, it is the same height. Reference the recess area for the lower mounting screw hole. The top of the round exhaust cutout are the same height.
Take a look at the bottom of the 71 valance. The bottom has been modified (by the factory) for the 71-74 models.
Apparently, in 1970, there was something about the rear leaf springs hitting/bending the bottom of the 1970 valance. So the factory modified it. Kind of like the hemi fenders...make it work.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 02:31 AM
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Dual exhaust car without tip. Turn downs.
For mandatory noise reduction cars in California (440-6, Hemi, other?). Maybe other areas required that too? Also a 383 N code 70/71 Barracuda would get that too. No tip options on those cars I believe.
The BS23 models got the N41 and the N42 Chrome Exhaust Tips, even in CA.
The exception were the hemi and 440-6 cars. The noise package only applied to the R and V codes sold and registered new in CA.
Ok. So U code single 4 bbl cars did not have to have noise reduction (no tips)?
Read in another thread U code was also no tips.
Posted By: 694406
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 02:33 AM
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70 vs 71 Non-N42 Chrome Exhaust Tips rear valances.
The depth looks deeper in the 1970 valance. However, it is the same height. Reference the recess area for the lower mounting screw hole. The top of the round exhaust cutout are the same height.
Take a look at the bottom of the 71 valance. The bottom has been modified (by the factory) for the 71-74 models.
Apparently, in 1970, there was something about the rear leaf springs hitting/bending the bottom of the 1970 valance. So the factory modified it. Kind of like the hemi fenders...make it work.
Awesome info and thanks!
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 02:42 AM
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70 vs 71 Non-N42 Chrome Exhaust Tips rear valances.
The depth looks deeper in the 1970 valance. However, it is the same height. Reference the recess area for the lower mounting screw hole. The top of the round exhaust cutout are the same height.
Take a look at the bottom of the 71 valance. The bottom has been modified (by the factory) for the 71-74 models.
Apparently, in 1970, there was something about the rear leaf springs hitting/bending the bottom of the 1970 valance. So the factory modified it. Kind of like the hemi fenders...make it work.
Awesome info and thanks!
Thank you. I never knew there were two different valences.
I see AAR's with shallow ones, but are those just replacements?
Posted By: cudaized
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 02:48 AM
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Ok. So U code single 4 bbl cars did not have to have noise reduction (no tips)?
Read in another thread U code was also no tips.
No Sir. They were not required to. Did it happen? Possibly.
Posted By: cudaized
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 02:53 AM
Note the braces on 71-74 and current repro version.
Posted By: cudaized
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 03:19 AM
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Thank you. I never knew there were two different valences.
I see AAR's with shallow ones, but are those just replacements?
1970 part number 2963 279 was used on 198, 225, 318, 383, 340-6, and the Noise Reduction Package for 440-6 and hemi
1971 part number 3615 011 was used on 198, 225, 318, as a replacement for the 340-6, and the Noise Reduction Package for 440-6 and hemi.
Posted By: mccannix
Re: Odd Cuda rear valance? - 09/24/14 05:09 AM
Ola...you have it all correct 
..as mentioned the same holds true for 1970 only dual valance verses 71-74 with the modified longer cut.
A good 1970 only dual exhaust Cuda valance is a hard piece to find.
Some of the top restored 70 Cudas are seen with the 71-74 style valance.
..as mentioned the same holds true for 1970 only dual valance verses 71-74 with the modified longer cut.A good 1970 only dual exhaust Cuda valance is a hard piece to find.
Some of the top restored 70 Cudas are seen with the 71-74 style valance.