Timing questions

Have a 440 with MSD 6AL and Pro Billet mechanical advance distributor. Couple of pathetically dumb questions.

1) Looking down at top of distributor, do I turn distributor clockwise or counter clockwise to reduce timing?

2) Reviewing the attached picture of my engine, how would I know where top dead center is to set the timing?

3) What is the cheapest timing light I should get to check and set timing accurately? I hear the MSD box can cause issues setting timing with some timing lights.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Thumper, you up for making a little money and doing a house call?

Distribuitor rotates counterclock, if you need to retard timing, tourn it counterclock.
Don't take the cheapiest timing light, spent your money in a good one.
On summit you can find a great timing for about $139.
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/ino-5568/overview/

http://www.mopar1.us/engine2.html

Thanks V8 punch. And your confident this light works with MSD 6 AL box?

I have one and works perfect with msd.

So I just tried my dad's ooooooldddd school Penske non-induction light and it seemed to work fine. I had 24 degrees of inital timing and something like 38 - 40 total. Per the included pixture, my timing marks stop at 30 and total timing went significantly past even the end of the timing tab. I seem to have no spark knock. The engine does smell like it's running slightly rich. Started on first turn of the switch this time easy. It was 100 plus here today when I was running it. With 165 thermostat it got to 185.

Do I leave it as is? DoI try adjusting the carbs to be leaner? Do I add or remove timing? Car has Crane cam 302 that's advanced for what it's worth.

Maybe it's just a very hot day so after driving and trying to start it would start hard and temp just would run a lot higher?

In general, with a "warm" cam shoot for around 20 degrees initial and 34 or maybe 36 total mechanical advance. Based on what you are seeing with the light, suggest you back off timing around 4 degrees.

One thing that is important to check is the timing marks. They can be off quite a bit. With an assembled engine checking with the "positive stop" method is best. The positive stop screws into #1 spark plug hole. It has an adjustable stop bolt that extends into the chamber and is adjusted to hit the piston top. You adjust the bolt so it hits near TDC. Roll the engine one way until it hits and mark the damper. Roll the engine around the other way until it hits again and mark the damper. Half way in between the marks is true TDC.

My timing marks were off nearly 10 degrees. This step is really important.

As far as mixture, a higher overlap cam will typically smell rich at idle. Its passing some un-burned mixture through the chamber. To some extent its not avoidable though correct advance and idle adjustment can help. More important is the mixture under load. One way to check is to run it down the road and run it a bit hard. Then shut it down with minimum idling and pull the plugs and read them (or post pics). Another way to check is to install a wideband AF meter and monitor AF under varying conditions.

GREAT feedback!! Thanks. Any chance you can give be a link to a positive stop tool?

I use the race MSD7AL boxes on most of my race and street cars, I bought the cheapo(under $50.00 at Summit ) Flaming River battery powered timing light to use on them As far as a piston stop you can make one out of a old spark plug, knock the center porcelyn and main conductor out of it with a punch, remove the ground strap and insert a bolt(weld in place if yuo want or use alltherad with two nuts to hold in place) to act as the piston stop You cane buy them at most tool places also, I bought mine from Cheif Aircraft supply in Grants Pass, Oregon years ago when I owned and flew my airplane Make sure you get one for both 14 and 18 MM for airplane and car use AKA you need the 14MM stop

I hope you aren't using those dabs of paint as indicators. Those are ATDC.

If your car starts real quick with a key flick when hot, you are in a good place for initial timing.

Uh, those marks are before top dead...

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Uh, those marks are before top dead...

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Those sure look like a pass side view and timing mark. Reverse rotation engine?

Pic upside down?