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440 Source Block

Posted By: camdog440

440 Source Block - 12/23/08 10:53 PM

Does anybody know if 440Source still has plans to release a block? I haven't heard anything about it in a very long time.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/23/08 11:57 PM

So many buttheads on this site give him crap about his heads I doubt he will ever make the block.
It's really sad that he gets so much crap from the stupid flagwaivers on this board
Gus
Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 12:01 AM

wont it be simple to just pick up the phone and call 440source and ask them...
Posted By: camdog440

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 12:04 AM

I agree. It's a pain to even bring up Source in a post because you know it is going to turn into a bash fest.

I welcome the choices that 440Source offers.
Posted By: camdog440

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 12:09 AM

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wont it be simple to just pick up the phone and call 440source and ask them...



If I was ready to buy a block... or anything else from them, I would ask them. Since I'm not I thought I'd see if anyone else knew.
Posted By: Skeptic

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 12:22 AM

Nothing listed on their website right now.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 12:55 AM

There's and old saying ... "if you can't stand the heat - get out of the kitchen". Americans live in the most capitalistic country in the world. So why crap all over someone who is doing what America is all about ... making a buck !!! ANYONE is free to compete with the offshore products. The problem, as I see it, is that most people are hypocrites. They will whine about offshore products but aren't willing to make any concessions in order for products to be competitively manufactured in America. And in a way, that's a good thing because if you made that concession (salary cut) you wouldn't be able to afford that very product! So you see, offshore products are a necessity, without them many people couldn't enjoy the luxuries they do.

So thank you 440Source ... for making this hobby/sport affordable for more people !!!
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: 440 Source Block *DELETED* - 12/24/08 01:15 AM

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Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 01:28 AM

The ironic part is they do it from a Chinese computer
Gus
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 02:28 AM

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The ironic part is they do it from a Chinese computer
Gus




Now that's funny
Posted By: 5537SG

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 04:05 AM

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So many buttheads on this site give him crap about his heads I doubt he will ever make the block.
It's really sad that he gets so much crap from the stupid flagwaivers on this board
Gus



Im a flag waver. yes, that says FLAG.

I never bash on 440source because they are offering something for a price nobody else does. I have a problem when 2 items are equally priced, and of similar quality, someone choses to buy the foreign product.

Im a repeating satisfied 440source customer and proud of it. I certainly hope the blocks come out soon.

by the way Gus, my Dell was made in the USA.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 04:08 AM

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by the way Gus, my Dell was made in the USA.



I really doubt that. Dell was one of the first to go offshore !!
Posted By: 5537SG

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 04:11 AM

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by the way Gus, my Dell was made in the USA.



I really doubt that. Dell was one of the first to go offshore !!



it says so right on the bottom. Model # PPX, Made in the USA.
Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 04:30 AM

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by the way Gus, my Dell was made in the USA.



I really doubt that. Dell was one of the first to go offshore !!



it says so right on the bottom. Model # PPX, Made in the USA.



at best it was assembled or configured in the us..
Posted By: Pool Fixer

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 05:39 AM

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So many buttheads on this site give him crap about his heads I doubt he will ever make the block.
It's really sad that he gets so much crap from the stupid flagwaivers on this board
Gus




the "you are ignoring this user" message was starting to get burned into my old school monitor every time a thread about 440 source came up. At least we get a break from him for a while.
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 04:02 PM

If any bashers are running Hooker Headers shame on you. Been made in mexico for a decade and a half. Sell your Hookers and shell out $1200 for some Stahls or equvalent for some TTIs.
Posted By: BDS871Cuda

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 06:18 PM

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by the way Gus, my Dell was made in the USA.



I really doubt that. Dell was one of the first to go offshore !!



it says so right on the bottom. Model # PPX, Made in the USA.



My Foose Nitrous II's, I was told right from Foose
Wheels, they are made in the USA, but on the back
side it says MADE IN CHINA

( The China Syndrom? )

At least 440 source tells you where there made,
in china or where ever. Use them or not is your
American choice.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 06:32 PM

What ever happened to "Made in Japan" that everyone used to complain about? I'd take that over China any day!
Posted By: Stanton

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 07:50 PM

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My Foose Nitrous II's, I was told right from Foose
Wheels, they are made in the USA, but on the back
side it says MADE IN CHINA



The final product quite likely was CNC'd in USA but the casting or forging was probably done in China. Also, many wheels are produced in two pieces to yeild the desired offset so its possible the rim was done in China but the insert done in the USA.

Have you noticed all the "plain brown boxes" that new wheels are in at swapmeets, shows, etc.. All Chinese product. When they're repackaged into the Cragar box the price doubles !!
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 08:00 PM

No need to bash on 440 source now. Brandon seems like a stand up guy, if everyone has a problem with a part they bought and it failed and he gave refunds on the products sold plus any additional damage to the engine, he wouldn't have his doors open anymore. Many on here have met him and spoken with him and he goes into detail about his parts. I can honestly say this because I have met him three times in the last 4 years and purchased over 1500 bucks worth of parts, some I haven't even installed yet like H beam rods, his pistons, a stroker crank....little things like mini starters...Just keep in mind that the same block you buy from other retailers comes from China as well, when it arrives at the distribution centers here they get checked, maybe sonic....heck who know...maybe even an MRI hahaha...and they affix their metal plate to the block or engrave the block with a number. You get what you pay for, either way....a motor can grenade from 440S or from Ma Mopar.

Luck of the draw
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 08:12 PM

Yes, alot of that stuff is going on.

For example, Richmond Gear advertises their products "Made in USA", yet their $200 spool is the same Indian made piece available for half that price in a plain, brown box.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 09:04 PM

I was just at Summit yesterday and they had an "American Racing" torque-thrust"D"rim on the shelf with the "Made in China" sticker still on it
My buddy who owns and runs a high performance shop gets tired of peeling the "made in China" stickers off of Mopar Performance parts from Chrysler of America.
Gus
Posted By: OzHemi

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 09:44 PM

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My Foose Nitrous II's, I was told right from Foose
Wheels, they are made in the USA, but on the back
side it says MADE IN CHINA



The final product quite likely was CNC'd in USA but the casting or forging was probably done in China. Also, many wheels are produced in two pieces to yeild the desired offset so its possible the rim was done in China but the insert done in the USA.

Have you noticed all the "plain brown boxes" that new wheels are in at swapmeets, shows, etc.. All Chinese product. When they're repackaged into the Cragar box the price doubles !!



Cragar SS's are Made in the USA by Carlise wheel...right here in SoCal.

Foose wheels are just made for him by MHT from memory (or what ever company makes them...) and done in china as metioned.

Most of the 1 piece wheels out there are china... I do know Oasis makes wheels under thier name and for a few other companies (1 piece)right here in Orange County..

Most of the 2 piece billet wheels are done locally I know of. The outers all come from mainly the same company or two..centers done by the wheel manufactures..(some outers done in china now too though) All the outers and centers I deal in are USA made
Posted By: unknown

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 09:53 PM

SO are they going to make the block
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 10:03 PM

I think my rims were made in USA, they were custom made because they said they weren't in stock and had to make them. Its been 3 years since I bought them....I wanna say Wheel Vintiques...They shipped out 2-3 days later. I also paid 1800 for my rims. If they came from China, oh well, what doesn't come from there?? Its the new superpower for the market....The car has made over 4000 miles on those rims and they are still beautiful.
Posted By: Kam*Kuda

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 10:12 PM

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SO are they going to make the block


I believe that was the original question. LOL I was on the list but it took to much time and I bought a Mega Block.
Posted By: 440sourcedotcom

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 10:51 PM

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SO are they going to make the block



Sorry guys, It's been put on hold for the time being. The factory we were dealing with is used to pouring blocks for major automakers. After we perfected the tooling, they told us there would be a minimum requirement of several thousand blocks, which would require us to put up millions of dollars in investment capitol.

We tried to explain to them that big block Mopars are a "hobby" engine, and no company out there is going to sell these blocks by the thousands. The first shipment alone would have had to be over 3000 blocks. The block "waiting list" which we have been keeping over the last (approx) 2 years has 105 people on it.

Of course we could make the blocks if we doubled the price, but we wanted to keep them around the $1500 level, otherwise, why wouldn't you just go out and buy a World block?

To make a long story short, the consensus is basically that everyone felt it wasnt worth making, at least for the time being. Sorry if this disapoints some people, we have been working really hard on it ourselves, so it really wasn't what we were hoping to hear.

Happy holidays everyone!

Also, I bought a set of new Centerline Autodrag rims yesterday and they are still made here in Southern California!

And the comment above about World blocks is correct, they are NOT made in the USA. I'll let you take an educated guess on where they come from.
Posted By: camdog440

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 10:57 PM

Thanks for the info Brandon. Keep up the good work!
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 11:25 PM

Thanks Brandon, and a VERY Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Out of curiosity--what was to be the weight savings over a factory iron block?
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 11:29 PM

Well I was holding off looking at any more 440 blocks.....but I guess the search will be on again. Thanks for the effort Brandon
Posted By: 440sourcedotcom

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 11:41 PM

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Thanks Brandon, and a VERY Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Out of curiosity--what was to be the weight savings over a factory iron block?



Thanks and same to you!

There is no weight savings over a factory block. Most factory blocks weigh about 230 lbs, while most aftermarket iron blocks weigh in the high 200's to low 300's. The extra iron is a tradeoff for the extra strength (meat) in the block.

Aluminum blocks, of course, are a different story.

And not to plug our business, but just in case anyone is in need, we stock about 30 fully machined and ready to assemble factory engine blocks at any one time. They're all 100% done in the USA on Sunnen equipment. Honed with torque plates, line honed with ARP main studs, etc, etc. They're all 400's & 440's, most with factory main caps, a few have our billet main caps already installed. They're about 1/3 the cost of an aftermarket block, and with our girdle setup, we've made over 900hp with them. And, they're ready to ship asap. They get tanked, magged and baked, so they look about as close to brand new as you can get with a factory block. Just another option out there.

Posted By: Blakcharger440

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 11:47 PM

Well that sucks to hear that the block will not be produced. There are alot of guys here that appreciate the effort you put forth though including me. Maybe in the future the block will come to production....and will be able to have Hemi heads put on it as well.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 11:47 PM

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Thanks Brandon, and a VERY Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Out of curiosity--what was to be the weight savings over a factory iron block?



Thanks and same to you!

There is no weight savings over a factory block. Most factory blocks weigh about 230 lbs, while most aftermarket iron blocks weigh in the high 200's to low 300's. The extra iron is a tradeoff for the extra strength (meat) in the block.

Aluminum blocks, of course, are a different story.



My mistake--I assumed you were considering making an aluminum block!? No???
Posted By: 440sourcedotcom

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/24/08 11:54 PM

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My mistake--I assumed you were considering making an aluminum block!? No???



Sorry, no. It was always going to be iron. Thanks again everyone for the kind words, and we aren't ruling out this project forever... there may be a time (depending on the economy and other factors) when it becomes worth doing, and if that's the case, you can bet we'll go ahead with it.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 01:18 AM

Keep me on the list just in case this happens someday. Merry Christmas to you and Natalie.
Posted By: Hemi Allstate

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 02:24 AM


!

And the comment above about World blocks is correct, they are NOT made in the USA. I'll let you take an educated guess on where they come from.




Hey Brandon, Merry Christmas
I was reading in Mopar action and it says the World production blocks are cast in Michigan, and the race blocks are manufactured in the British Midlands, where Formula 1 and Nascar blocks are made.
http://www.raybarton.com/supermill.htm



Mark
Posted By: 52savoy

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 02:32 AM

Brandon, What happened to source's I-beam 4340 HEMI rods? I have a set in my stroked HEMI and was considering another set but they aren't on your website anymore??
Posted By: Rug_Trucker

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 02:32 AM

I'm making a kit to melt down old beer cans and trailer siding, into aluminum blocks.

Should be about $900 + the cost of wet sleeves

Kits are made in Indonesia.

Merry Christmas!


Posted By: chrisf

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 03:11 AM

i dont hear alot of bashing on AMD body panels.

whats the difference? bet a few of the big mouth 440source bashers allready have some of those panels.
Posted By: 70dart360

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 03:26 AM

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i dont hear alot of bashing on AMD body panels.

whats the difference? bet a few of the big mouth 440source bashers allready have some of those panels.



A body panel is NOT a part that can cause a catastrophic failure. Not knocking 440source, but that statement is waaay out there.
Posted By: chrisf

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 03:35 AM

so your saying evey post that bashes 440source stuff is about quality and not about being made overseas?

how silly of me. you may want to re read some threads. 99% have nothing to do with quality
Posted By: 70dart360

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 04:37 AM

Didnt say that, I just said theres a big difference in a piece of sheet metal compared to an engine, I dont care where its made. Make a boo boo putting a 1/4 on.... no big deal. Make a boo-boo in the engine and it can wipe the whole works out. Quality is quality whether its made here, China, Japan, Mars or wherever.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 04:58 AM

If the tooling is perfected (and I assume you own it) why couldn't you get a small North American based foundry to pour them? I've always assumed that the tooling was the expensive part of the equation.

Kevin
Posted By: Neil

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 05:29 AM

Dirt cheap labor is why companies choose to take stuff offshore. They don't do it for any other reason other than to fatten the profit margin.
Posted By: 1fastrunner

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 03:47 PM

Thanks Brandon for the response.
I was afraid , the way the thread was going, they we were going to keep going around the "block" with the original question, and not getting an answer until the thread was locked.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Moparts' Members!
Jim
Posted By: wings471

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/25/08 04:02 PM

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Dirt cheap labor is why companies choose to take stuff offshore. They don't do it for any other reason other than to fatten the profit margin.



That for sure but also EPA/DEQ isn't a factor in most countries as it is in the United States.
Posted By: camdog440

Re: 440 Source Block - 12/26/08 03:45 AM

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That for sure but also EPA/DEQ isn't a factor in most countries as it is in the United States.



Is that a bad thing? The lack of regulation in China is turning some areas there into toxic wastelands. Their greed will end up costing big time if they don't turn things around over there.
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