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4 speed pedals uneven???

Posted By: 6pktgo

4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 04:36 PM

I converted a 70 Charger from a power brake/automatic console to a power brake 4 speed and my clutch pedal is about 2 1/2 inches higher then my brake. I used the original booster & m/c (rebiult) & a set of 70 pedals. Is this normal or have i done something wrong??? Any Help would be great.
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 04:46 PM

Its normal for them not to sit even, I dont know about 2.5" difference though.
Posted By: 69L78Nova

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 04:54 PM

On a power brake car, the brake pedal sits much lower than the clutch pedal
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 04:56 PM

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On a power brake car, the brake pedal sits much lower than the clutch pedal



Mine does too. Although a friend's challenger does not-- PB/4speed car. Don't know why though.
Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 06:31 PM

Is there a different brake pedal linkage for a 70 or maybe a different bracket of sorts? Anyone have a 68 or 69 B Body that knows or maybe a 71? Thanks Again Moparts
Posted By: ademon

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 06:47 PM

My 68 RR 4-speed, power disc brake car, brake pedal sits much lower than the clutch pedal, comes in very handy when on a steep hill for holding brake and also giving a bit of throttle as i let of the clutch

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Posted By: minivan

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 07:50 PM

I believe the lower brake pedal came with the advent of disc brakes.. I remember first seeing them when these cars were new and discs became more of a standard than an option, and thinking something was wrong also.... Just my 2 cents..
Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 08:02 PM

ALL 2 cents are GREATLY appreciated & worth every bit ,as i`m about to put the column in place and every part has been meticulously restored to original condition or very close and it makes getting at some other parts very difficult. Thanks Again
Posted By: Ryan_340

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/21/08 08:47 PM

In my old '74 Power Wagon the clutch pedal sits a little lower than the brake pedal.
Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 03:41 AM

Anyone have a untouched big block 70 Charger,Road Runner,Super Bee with a pic of the pedals ??
Posted By: go-fish

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 03:46 AM

Thank God it's not just my car. I thought something was goofy about the pedals.
I'm going to have to fix it though. Can't stand it.
Posted By: SCATPK

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 05:29 AM

My 68 gtx is a factory 4spd with power disc brake option and the pedals sit perfectly level to each other. I have since converted it to manual brakes and the pedals are still nice, straight and level. Sounds like some of you guys have some issues.

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Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 01:33 PM

Now i REALLY DON`T want to reinstall the column til i get this fixed !!! Anyone know about a different pedal rod maybe?
Posted By: ademon

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 03:06 PM

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My 68 gtx is a factory 4spd with power disc brake option and the pedals sit perfectly level to each other. I have since converted it to manual brakes and the pedals are still nice, straight and level. Sounds like some of you guys have some issues.

I cant imagine my brake pedal as high as my clutch pedal! I can't remember a car or truck including large trucks that i have driven where the brake pedal wasn't lower than the clutch, sometimes just a little bit but in those cases the clutch pedal was almost even with the throttle pedal, in other cases like my 68 RR with power front disc the clutch pedal is much higher than the gas pedal and having the brake pedal just a bit higher than the gas pedal makes it much smoother to drive, like taking off on a hill, i just have to move my foot from side to side, not lift my whole leg. Besides the clutch pedal rests at the rubber bumper on its stop, and the brake rests on its stop which includes the brake switch so i dont think their much adjustment
Posted By: 64dodge572

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 03:17 PM

Power brake pedal (with correct pivot linkage) will sit lower than the clutch. Manual brakes use a straight push rod and will be closer to even with the clutch pedal.
Posted By: SuperRob

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 03:29 PM

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My 68 RR 4-speed, power disc brake car, brake pedal sits much lower than the clutch pedal, comes in very handy when on a steep hill for holding brake and also giving a bit of throttle as i let of the clutch


same here, car is a 69 bee
Posted By: basketcase

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 05:58 PM

I've had a '68 Charger,and two '69 road runners, all manual drums. all the brake pedals sat lower than the clutch, and so does my '85 D100 w/ power disc.
Posted By: mickm

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 06:58 PM

mine is a conversion, so it is hard to use it as an example. but i assume the pedal assembly is stock? i don't know if there is anyone reproducing those.

mine is manual drum, and the pedals sit almost dead even, exactly the way i like it
Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/22/08 09:17 PM

Pedal assembly (for a 70 B Body, but will fit 68&69 also),linkage (was in the car),power brake booster and m/c are all original,just restored, even down to the right clutch pedal with the hole (only found on the 70 pedal) for the neutral safety switch.
Posted By: SCATPK

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/23/08 12:53 AM

Also restored a 69.5 bird with 4spd a few years back with manual drum brakes and the pedals were level with eachother on that car as well.
Posted By: Ryan_340

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/23/08 05:37 AM

Even the clutch pedal in my 1992 Dakota sits higher than the brake pedal.
Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/23/08 02:01 PM

Many Thanks for all your responses. I think i`m going to install the column this morning and do a dry run electrical test and hope for the best. My 6 pack engine arrives shortly and i`ll fasten that and the 4 speed together to the K member and slip these in from the bottom. I would have liked to post some pics but i can`t figure out how and i`m not that good on the comp. If you`d like a pic or two i can do that by email anital@eagle.ca Thanks Again to Moparts !!
Posted By: MoparMarq

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/23/08 08:39 PM

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I think i`m going to install the column this morning and do a dry run electrical test and hope for the best. My 6 pack engine arrives shortly and i`ll fasten that and the 4 speed together to the K member and slip these in from the bottom.



I would imagine that, after you do the electrical test to make sure everything works, you'll remove the column before installing the K-frame/engine/trans/steering gear. Otherwise, you may have some trouble getting the K-frame to line up without bumping into the the bottom of the column shaft on the steering box input shaft. I plan on doing mine this way as well, but haven't done it yet. Just seems like it could be an issue. Others have installed from bottom before and chime in with their experiences.
Posted By: 6pktgo

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/23/08 11:36 PM

I was up under the dash looking real close and there`s no more room for the brake pedal to rise up as the linkage has no room left to travel.I also have 3-70 Chargers all p/b cars and all the linkages are the same.

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Posted By: ademon

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/24/08 12:22 AM

Your pedals are correct, car is much nicer to drive when the brake and gas pedal are fairly close, if you watch a nascar race they sometimes show the drivers foot quickly going between gas and brake pedal which are about even, Not sure why some cars have the brake pedal even with the clutch, maybe bent or wrong pedal, problem/wrong booster.
Posted By: mopars_1

Re: 4 speed pedals uneven??? - 12/24/08 02:57 PM

well, our pedels are way offset also. everything appeard to be original to the car before we restored it. and again, there wasn't any more room for adjustment for the break pedel to come forward. the car is a 70 charger with power drums

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