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heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one?

Posted By: dirt

heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/08/08 08:45 PM

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/08/08 09:32 PM

Step away from the open flame. You're looking at disaster.

Sheldon
Posted By: RTDaddy

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/08/08 09:38 PM

If the booth is in a building, try to set-up so the booth draws from the building, and heat the building. If you're looking at an open flame heat source directly into the booth, , we may have a candidate for the first booth in low earth orbit.

"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/08/08 09:43 PM

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Step away from the open flame. You're looking at disaster.

Sheldon




people can die this way.

your paint will be giving off flamable fumes during the curing process.
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/08/08 09:47 PM

Posted By: MoparforLife

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 12:04 AM

Just the fumes given off from paint is highly flammable. I wouldn't try what you propose.
Posted By: fox

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 12:28 AM

Also, propane heat is very high in moisture. You don't want that issue painting do you?
Posted By: ahy

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 12:54 AM

Is your garage attached? If so, you can warm your shop up and warm your house up. Turn shop heater off and pull your replacement air through the house from the most distant window. Worked for me.

I would not paint near a running propane or kerosene heater... just asking for trouble.
Posted By: belv2vert66

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/09/08 01:02 AM

This is very interesting to me, Back in the day, I worked in very large cabinet manufacturing plants. We sprayed plenty of solvent based products including lacquers. Anyway we had huge conveyor systems that after the spray booth and flash off areas, there were huge ovens. I am talking like 40 x 100 feet. In these ovens there was a HUGE gas fired burner with like a 2 foot flame flying out of it. The burner would cycle on and off depending on the temp the thermostat was set at. There were/are several fans also in there circulating air and also exhausting fumes. Let me tell you, you could not go in this oven without being overcome with the fumes, to me it had to be flammable. I have never asked anyone, but I am assuming they were using the gas fired burner to produce positive pressure in the oven, so as long as the fumes never got to the flame, it would not blow up. I have always thought, If a guy used lets say a house furnace, and could make the fan run continuously and then introduce the flame, it would be the same principle. Obviously you would have to have filters to the outside and somewhere for the air/fumes to go out, like a traditional positive pressure booth, or the fumes would eventually back up to the flame. Obviously, the air the furnace used to burn, could not be exposed to the fumes. If the cold air came from the outside, it would only raise that air a certain temp. Could be trouble in sub zero type weather Someone smarter than me has to have an opinion on this but there has to be literally hundreds of these ovens in the US curing flammable coatings. LOL. I think this principle could work, just don't want to experiment with it.......
Posted By: AdamR

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/09/08 01:05 AM

You want gas heat, not oil. Oil heat can ruin a paint job quick. We required by law to use an explosion proof furnace in our shop.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 01:46 AM

I have painted many a truck in a 30x40 area with a good exhaust fan in the wall. We have a 65K LP infra red heater hanging from the ceiling and use it all the time to dry paint after the fumes have cleared. Been doing it since 1984. Also have a smaller one mounted on a 100# tank on a 2 wheel dolly, use it for spot heating and paint drying.

Some spray booths use gas infer red heat to cure the clear after the fumes are cleared out.

So to answer your question, no it won't hurt the paint.
But you got to be careful in smaller inclosed areas with portable gas heat.I don't think I'd try any kind of heater with a blower around paint. Keep any open flame well up off the floor in any garage.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 03:12 AM

With a propane space heater the "exhaust" is vented right into the surrounding area. One of the major byproducts of propane is water - lots of it! And it won't take long before you get a good headache from the fumes (which even a paint mask won't help).

Virtually any heater - with the exception of hogh-efficiency furnaces - will use room air as combustion air. This means that anything in the room is exposed to the flame. Personally I wouldn't paint that large of a project anywhere near an open flame of any sort. On the other hand, if your paint's water based ...
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 03:29 AM

Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use one? - 12/09/08 04:11 AM

Open flame + volatile vapors from paint = BOOM!



Heat the room super hot before if you must, but once the paint is sprayed, no open flames, period. Seriously, this is your life here- not a time to be stubborn and throw safety aside.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/09/08 03:55 PM

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This is very interesting to me, Back in the day, I worked in very large cabinet manufacturing plants. We sprayed plenty of solvent based products including lacquers. Anyway we had huge conveyor systems that after the spray booth and flash off areas, there were huge ovens. I am talking like 40 x 100 feet. In these ovens there was a HUGE gas fired burner with like a 2 foot flame flying out of it. The burner would cycle on and off depending on the temp the thermostat was set at. There were/are several fans also in there circulating air and also exhausting fumes. Let me tell you, you could not go in this oven without being overcome with the fumes, to me it had to be flammable. I have never asked anyone, but I am assuming they were using the gas fired burner to produce positive pressure in the oven, so as long as the fumes never got to the flame, it would not blow up. I have always thought, If a guy used lets say a house furnace, and could make the fan run continuously and then introduce the flame, it would be the same principle. Obviously you would have to have filters to the outside and somewhere for the air/fumes to go out, like a traditional positive pressure booth, or the fumes would eventually back up to the flame. Obviously, the air the furnace used to burn, could not be exposed to the fumes. If the cold air came from the outside, it would only raise that air a certain temp. Could be trouble in sub zero type weather Someone smarter than me has to have an opinion on this but there has to be literally hundreds of these ovens in the US curing flammable coatings. LOL. I think this principle could work, just don't want to experiment with it.......




OK, You are right; a real paint booth setup uses a direct fired make-up air unit (usually natural gas)in conjunction with a dedicated and interlocked exhaust fan. As you've hypothesized, these units use 100% outdoor air. We've installed around a hundred of them over the years. There isn't an explosion hazard if the ventilation rate is sufficient; i.e. the flamable vapours are exhausted and the positive airflow is in the opposite direction. Contaminated air cannot get to the burners.

In this particular circumstance, I wouldn't recommend a direct fired heater.


Dave
Posted By: Twostick

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 12:35 AM

Never mind the potential to die from carbon monoxide poisoning.

Kevin
Posted By: belv2vert66

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 01:07 AM

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Quote:

This is very interesting to me, Back in the day, I worked in very large cabinet manufacturing plants. We sprayed plenty of solvent based products including lacquers. Anyway we had huge conveyor systems that after the spray booth and flash off areas, there were huge ovens. I am talking like 40 x 100 feet. In these ovens there was a HUGE gas fired burner with like a 2 foot flame flying out of it. The burner would cycle on and off depending on the temp the thermostat was set at. There were/are several fans also in there circulating air and also exhausting fumes. Let me tell you, you could not go in this oven without being overcome with the fumes, to me it had to be flammable. I have never asked anyone, but I am assuming they were using the gas fired burner to produce positive pressure in the oven, so as long as the fumes never got to the flame, it would not blow up. I have always thought, If a guy used lets say a house furnace, and could make the fan run continuously and then introduce the flame, it would be the same principle. Obviously you would have to have filters to the outside and somewhere for the air/fumes to go out, like a traditional positive pressure booth, or the fumes would eventually back up to the flame. Obviously, the air the furnace used to burn, could not be exposed to the fumes. If the cold air came from the outside, it would only raise that air a certain temp. Could be trouble in sub zero type weather Someone smarter than me has to have an opinion on this but there has to be literally hundreds of these ovens in the US curing flammable coatings. LOL. I think this principle could work, just don't want to experiment with it.......




OK, You are right; a real paint booth setup uses a direct fired make-up air unit (usually natural gas)in conjunction with a dedicated and interlocked exhaust fan. As you've hypothesized, these units use 100% outdoor air. We've installed around a hundred of them over the years. There isn't an explosion hazard if the ventilation rate is sufficient; i.e. the flamable vapours are exhausted and the positive airflow is in the opposite direction. Contaminated air cannot get to the burners.

In this particular circumstance, I wouldn't recommend a direct fired heater.


Dave




So in theory, I could use a high efficiency gas fired furnace to build positive pressure in the room or booth. As long as the inlet air was clean. The key would be to make sure the contaminated air had an big enough outlet so that the fumes didn't back up. Again, I am pretty sure this would work, it's that proving part that is making me nervous.
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 01:56 AM

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Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 02:43 AM

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just finished my paint job. 3 coats paint, 2 coats clear with flake, 3 coats clear. top and bottom of car and i didnt blow up. also painted tail stripe.

so everyone can calm down now.




Good job on not blowing up.

How'd the paint job come out?
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 03:15 AM


Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 03:21 AM

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turned out good. its a 68 dart.
put the heater in the room beside the booth and let it run.
i will try to get a picture up soon.
i have to wet sand it tomorrow and give it another coat of clear then sand it clear it again then finally buff it out.

we are hoping to have it at the mopar nationals this year if we can get it finished.

i sprayed it black and put red flake over it,light, then clear. with a red flake stripe.




We want pics!! We want pics!! Please post pics!!
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 09:08 PM

Posted By: dart67

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/10/08 11:36 PM

Dude!!!!! That stripe looks great! Very nice.
Posted By: reno340

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/11/08 12:17 AM

Glad it worked out for you but it was really stupid. Lost a 1/2 brother to a garage fire when I was a kid. (he didn't live at home or anything like that) He had 2nd and 3rd degree burns on 100% of his body. Lived for 3 painful days. Bad thing is that a person can burn from the inside out as they have alraedy inhaled the fumes. Yes, the solids are flammable. The fumes are even more so. BTW, car looks nice!!! Great stainless work!!!!! ohhhh, I almost forgot. Heat lamps work great!!!!
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/11/08 01:09 AM

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/11/08 01:33 AM

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how is turning on the heater after the fumes clear out stupid? if the stuff was that explosive there would be a lot more burned up people.
i know a guy that paints with an oped kerosene flame all the time, he's done it for probably 30 years. small bay in his garage with poor ventilation and he never had a fire.

anyway if everyone would read my post i sat the heater outside the paint booth to heat the air going in. not even close to the fumes so i really dont see the problem.

i post a question asking the effects of propane fumes on paint and everyone automatically figures i am some idiot going to blow my self up. and few want to answer the actual question. just like normal on here.




I hear you, Anytime you mention open flame and paint everyone freaks out.

I've got two overhead gas open flame heaters that have been left on by accident many times with the air full of paint fog and luckly nothing has ever happened except my paint dried.
Usally the naysayers are the ones who have never painted. IMO

Paint job looks good, nice work.
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/11/08 01:43 AM

propane heat makes bare metal sweat. your paint job may look great but after some time little blisters will show up where the metat sweated
Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/11/08 01:48 AM

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 12/11/08 01:59 AM

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propane heat makes bare metal sweat. your paint job may look great but after some time little blisters will show up where the metat sweated




Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/06/22 01:04 PM

Just incase anyone was wondering I didn't blow up yet.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/06/22 03:08 PM

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propane heat makes bare metal sweat. your paint job may look great but after some time little blisters will show up where the metat sweated


The way this is stated is BULLSH!T

Actually, a byproduct of propane combustion is water ... humidity So just like moisture forms on a cold beer on a hot day, anything "cooler" than the heated air temperature will cause moisture to form on it. ANYTHING - not just "bare metal". So heating any closed space with a propane heater that doesn't have a heat exchanger and combustion exhaust to the outside is a bad idea.
Posted By: dirt

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/06/22 03:47 PM

I posted this question in 2008. I thought it was deleted but I found it again. Everyone told me I was going to blow up. But here I am 14 years later and the paint still looks good on my car. I only run the heater to dry the paint. Not when I am actually spraying paint.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/06/22 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by dirt
I only run the heater to dry the paint. Not when I am actually spraying paint.


Yep, big difference.
Posted By: wingman

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/06/22 04:28 PM

So you actively searched for a 14-year old thread, just so you could tell a bunch of random people (most of which don't even read this site anymore):

"See, I didn't die. I told you so."

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Posted By: Sniper

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/06/22 05:27 PM

He's been digging up dead threads for awhile now. Must make him feel better or something
Posted By: TJP

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/07/22 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sniper
He's been digging up dead threads for awhile now. Must make him feel better or something

Maybe the fumes are getting to him laugh2 musik realcrazy

I had a neighbor years ago that would heat aerosol paint can's on a kerosene heater in the winter as he said it made the paint flow better. One day he forgot one was warming up and it fricken BLEW BIG TIME!!! It felt like a 4.0 quake in my garage.
The launch pad (heater was destroyed), it blew a hole through the ceiling and roof (never did find the can) Black paint everywhere, and he's walking around with his glasses all crooked and a load in his pants (I think). he became known as ROCKET MAN after that day. Broke 7 windows, 3 mirrors in the house and blew nails out of the sheetrock is a few nearby rooms. Took 3 days for his hearing to return.
A week or so later another buddy stopped by. Rocket man happened to be there. he said hey I heard about the paint deal. RM's like hey dude I've been ridiculed enough. My buddy says no man, I'm with you and do the same thing. RM's like really? the buddy says yeah but you're going about it all wrong. RM asks how's that?
Chuck says you need to use the dryer man, put it on medium heat and fluff for about 5-10 minutes, it'll heat and mix the paint at the same time. In addition if it gets to hot you 'll have secondary containment. LMAO TRUE STORY beer
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/07/22 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by Sniper
He's been digging up dead threads for awhile now. Must make him feel better or something

Maybe the fumes are getting to him laugh2 musik realcrazy

I had a neighbor years ago that would heat aerosol paint can's on a kerosene heater in the winter as he said it made the paint flow better. One day he forgot one was warming up and it fricken BLEW BIG TIME!!! It felt like a 4.0 quake.
The launch pad (heater was destroyed), it blew a hole through the ceiling and roof (never did find the can) Black paint everywhere, and he's walking around with his glasses all crooked and a load in his pants (I think). he became known as ROCKET MAN after that day. Broke 7 windows, 3 mirrors in the house and blew nails out of the sheetrock is a few nearby rooms. Took 3 days for his hearing to return.
A week or so later another buddy stopped by. Rocket man happened to be there. he said hey I heard about the paint deal. RM's like hey dude I've been ridiculed enough. My buddy says no man, I'm with you and do the same thing. RM's like really? the buddy says yeah but you're going about it all wrong. RM asks how's that?
Chuck says you need to use the dryer man, put it on medium heat and fluff for about 5-10 minutes, it'll heat and mix the paint at the same time. In addition if it gets to hot you 'll have secondary containment. LMAO TRUE STORY beer


Well, talking about things blowing-up real good, you ain't seen nothing until you toss a can of R-12 into a fire. Then stand WAAAAAY back. We were cleaning out our shop one afternoon back in the mid-80's & one of the guys lobs a can of R-12 into the dumpster fire we had going. Says on the can it's flammable, so we all stood back, then stood back a little more. After about 20 seconds BOOOOOM! There was a concussion that hit all of us & a small mushroom cloud above the dumpster. There was debris showering down a good 10 seconds after the 'sblosion. The guy who tossed the can in the fire was rolling on the ground laughing so hard, he could not stand. It was IMPRESSIVE to say the least!
Posted By: Stanton

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/07/22 12:42 PM

I always heat my spray bombs and I always do it in a bucket of hot water. Zero risk.
Posted By: poorboy

Re: heating a paint booth. propane heater? anyone use o - 05/08/22 03:25 AM

My garage has a forced air natural gas furnace.
I have a drill press about 15' from, and directly in front of the duct work outlet. I often put spray bombs on top of the drill press to warm up. it I forgot and a can sat there all day, it wouldn't get much higher temp then the surrounding air. That is probably not any higher temp then that spray bomb would see sitting on a shelf in the summer. I don't have a spray booth, painting gets done outside when the temp is between about 50, and 80.
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