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Hardest tool I ever had to find

Posted By: Commando1

Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 02:27 PM

Even Googlizing the crap out of it a thousand different ways produced almost zero results.
It's a ball joint adapter tool C-4034.
I can't even find a picture of it except a crude illustration in the FSM.
Do I even really need it?
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 02:29 PM

All FL people have SPECIAL NEEDS ......especially ones in the HEATland area ....

WHAT do the people at Miller tool have to say ?
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 03:10 PM

don`t know if they have it but you can try here http://www.etoolcart.com/search.aspx?find=ball+joint+adapter+tool
Posted By: Andrewh

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 03:54 PM

it is the ball joint socket.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ball+join...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 04:24 PM

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it is the ball joint socket.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ball+join...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ


Thanks. So it's a 2-9/64ths deep socket (which you need for the lower ball joint) as opposed to the C-3561 2-9/64ths standard socket (used on the upper ball joint). Yes?

Nobody has the deep socket. They all show the standard socket.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 04:25 PM

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All FL people have SPECIAL NEEDS ......especially ones in the HEATland area ....

WHAT do the people at Miller tool have to say ?


They say shaddup, Doc.
Posted By: Dave Watt

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 04:27 PM

Some of the older ball joints had more of a dome shape on top, thus the reason for a deep well socket. Otherwise the standard depth socket will work on most.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 04:29 PM

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Some of the older ball joints had more of a dome shape on top, thus the reason for a deep well socket. Otherwise the standard depth socket will work on most.


So 1976 OEM's should be.............?
Posted By: Andrewh

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 04:33 PM

sorry, maybe I am confused.

the number you gave was to remove and replace the upper ball joint.

I am unaware of any lower ball joint threaded into the lower control arm, but have only worked on a few mopars so could be mistaken.

three sizes exist for the uppper,
small for early a
med for pretty much every car otherwise
and large for trucks.

I have seen the shallow version sold for as cheap as 12 bucks.
I own the deeper version from snapon but that ran like 90 bucks with the 3/4 to 1/2 adapter.

if you are looking for a lower ball joint socket, I have never seen one.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 04:47 PM

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sorry, maybe I am confused.


No, you're good. As usual, it's me.
Since I have Press-in lower ball joints, it's a moot point about a socket for the lowers. Yes?
Or am I still out in far left field?
Posted By: Andrewh

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 05:03 PM

no sockets for pressed in correct.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 05:35 PM

I'm learnin.........
Thanks.
Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 06:39 PM

When tools become idiotly priced (or it takes a week to be delivered, in my case) it can sometimes by smart to just make your own.


Here's a LCA balljoint-tool I drew up and had lasercut locally up for my '60 NewYorker, which has threaded balljoints.
After the cutting I welded everything together and was able to change the balljoints...








Posted By: HemiRick

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 07:02 PM

Lower ball joints bolt in.....no press or any special tool required.
Posted By: Andrewh

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 07:20 PM

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Lower ball joints bolt in.....no press or any special tool required.



again, benifit of the doubt.

76 what?
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 09:48 PM

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Lower ball joints bolt in.....no press or any special tool required.



again, benifit of the doubt.

76 what?



76 New yorker.

From the FSM:

"Lower Ball Joints.
Installation:
(1) Press in new ball joint into lower control arm using assembled Tool C-4212.
(2) Place a new seal over ball joint with Adaptor Tool C-4034 and press retainer portion of seal down on ball joint housing until it is securely locked in position."



Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 09:56 PM

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Quote:

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Lower ball joints bolt in.....no press or any special tool required.



again, benifit of the doubt.

76 what?



76 New yorker.

From the FSM:

"Lower Ball Joints.
Installation:
(1) Press in new ball joint into lower control arm using assembled Tool C-4212.
(2) Place a new seal over ball joint with Adaptor Tool C-4034 and press retainer portion of seal down on ball joint housing until it is securely locked in position."







Looks like it's just a SLEEVE that is open on one end and closed , except for a centering hole on the other end used to push the seal in place and clearing the ball joint.

You could probably use a piece of PVC or pipe of the appropriate size and the seal into place ????
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/06/13 10:54 PM

I have that C-4212 ball joint press tool, and will have to see if that Adapter tool, C-4034 is with it.
Don't know what good it will do you though, if i have it.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 02:31 PM

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Don't know what good it will do you though, if i have it.


You can tell me more about it and I could make one?
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 04:24 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLER-SPECIAL-T...e1a&vxp=mtr
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 05:15 PM

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLER-SPECIAL-T...e1a&vxp=mtr



too bad all the collars , including the one he needs , are MIA
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 05:29 PM

Brought home the ball joint tool, from my storage locker, to get a picture of it.
No C-4034 tool.
Have other adapters for the press, but i guess i never had a C-4034, because it never came with the press, when i bought it, way back in the old days.
Do you have the C-4212 press?

Attached picture 7697165-MillerBallJointTool001(Small).JPG
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 08:30 PM

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Do you have the C-4212 press?


I have the press, thanks.

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Brought home the ball joint tool, from my storage locker, to get a picture of it.


Sincerely appreciate the effort.

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too bad all the collars , including the one he needs , are MIA


Story of my life.
Not the biggest tragedy in the world. When it comes time when I need it, I'll figure out something...

Like I said: Hardest tool I ever had to find
Posted By: Scott Carl

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 10:24 PM

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Don't know what good it will do you though, if i have it.


You can tell me more about it and I could make one?


Improvise, adapt, and overcome!! Oorah!
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/07/13 11:31 PM

At my age it's when I pull down the zipper.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/08/13 03:59 PM

Yah, but can you find it when you need it.
Posted By: HemiGreg

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 01:07 AM

use a big pipe wrench like 36" opens to4 "
Posted By: Kowal

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 10:49 AM

The maker of Miller Tools is also the maker of OTC Tools.

Go to their website, OTCTools.com, they have several professional series ball joint kits, see what they have. Their tech support might be able to help.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 03:13 PM

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The maker of Miller Tools is also the maker of OTC Tools.

Go to their website, OTCTools.com, they have several professional series ball joint kits, see what they have. Their tech support might be able to help.


Did that. No help unless I can find an engineer there who will in his spare time sift through a million pcs. of old paperwork to find the specs on what it is. They're looking at the same pic you and I are.
Posted By: OLD318

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 03:23 PM

I've had a very hard (impossible still) time finding 2 tools

1) Miller tool C-4134 - Steering column centering tool
2) Matco DF-3110 - wheel lip moulding screw removal tool
(or equivalent snap on)

Both were discontinued decades ago....
I've search for years...
begged and pleaded
and even prayed...

Dear mopar lord...
Please hear my cries and bring me my coveted tools...
(and while you're at it grant me an NOS driver side quarter panel
for a 70 Dodge Coronet)
Amen!

Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 03:26 PM

How did you ever get a 4spd in your Chrysler? I've never seen ball joint adapter tool C-4034.... But I could have those balljoints changed without the tool pretty quickly.... I have all sorts of press adapters, I've got a BFH & I've got a torch...
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:00 PM

http://stores.ebay.com/millertoolman/MIL...d=p4634.c0.m322

Bookmark this guy in your computer files.
If anybody comes across Miller Tools, this guy has just about anything, at times.
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:06 PM

http://stores.ebay.com/Lorie-and-Jeff/Mi...d=p4634.c0.m322

I have bought some Miller Tools from this store.
You never know what may show up.
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:33 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360638655849?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

They even have one of those press'es for sale, when i looked through their ad's.
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:38 PM

http://stores.ebay.com/toolzguysobsoletespecialtytools

This guy does a lot with Miller Tools, also.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:43 PM

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How did you ever get a 4spd in your Chrysler? I've never seen ball joint adapter tool C-4034.... But I could have those balljoints changed without the tool pretty quickly.... I have all sorts of press adapters, I've got a BFH & I've got a torch...



I was wondering the same thing

The part he wants is for putting the seal in place, that is the easy part of the job. I can't even imagine a tech using the press to put the seal on.

Time is money
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:47 PM

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I've had a very hard (impossible still) time finding 2 tools

1) Miller tool C-4134 - Steering column centering tool

I looked in my old Miller Tool catalogs, for what that C-4134 tool looks like.
I might have that.
Next time i go over my storage locker, let me rummage through my tool boxes.
That tool sure looks familiar to me.
Posted By: hemi71x

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 04:52 PM

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The part he wants is for putting the seal in place, that is the easy part of the job. I can't even imagine a tech using the press to put the seal on.




I was thinking that too.
The ball joint is the hard part of the job.
The seal can be easily installed without a specialty tool, but i guess it would make that part of the job, a bit easier.
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Hardest tool I ever had to find - 05/09/13 05:46 PM

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How did you ever get a 4spd in your Chrysler?


You nailed it. BFH, torch, sawzall...
I'll work around it one way or another.
Was just looking for the easy way out......

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