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440 oil filter question???

Posted By: mkbubs

440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 05:41 PM

The belt for my power steering pump is rubbing on the oil filter. Does anyone know what brand, part number oil filter to get to eliminate this problem. i need a shorter oil filter. anyone else with a 440 come accross this problem? thanks for the help.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 05:43 PM

What year car ?

The filter length is not your problem
Posted By: formula_s

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 05:49 PM

Use a Fram PH43 or equivalent.
Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 05:57 PM

'70 dodge coronet
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 07:09 PM

PH43 is the Fram ( ) number for the shorty version of the PH8A.

However, I'm with John; the filter length isn't your problem and I'm not sure a PH43 would be short enough anyway.

I'm thinking, wrong belt, wrong pulley or something wacky with the brackets.





Dave
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 07:14 PM

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The filter length is not your problem



I agree with John. The brackets, pulleys, belt or all of the above are likely incorrect. Are they stock parts or some aftermarket abomination?

edit: I just got treed by DPelletier. Took too long thinking about it.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 07:31 PM

Quote:

Quote:

The filter length is not your problem



I agree with John. The brackets, pulleys, belt or all of the above are likely incorrect. Are they stock parts or some aftermarket abomination?

edit: I just got treed by DPelletier. Took too long thinking about it.




YES!! for the WIN!!



Dave
Posted By: SomeCarGuy

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 07:58 PM

85068 at CarQuest for the shorty.

I think the Wix label brand numbers are the same on the end of that string. They make those filters for CQ and NAPA.

85515 is the long filter for early power steering or manual steering.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 08:38 PM

Stay far far away from fram unless you like rebuilding your engine.
Posted By: formula_s

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 08:53 PM

When will this internet based fairy tale end? I have over a half million miles and 4-500 bracket racing passes on Frams,never a failure.
Posted By: 05dakota

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 09:26 PM

i guess cardboard makes a decent filter?
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 09:33 PM

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i guess cardboard makes a decent filter?




Saves weight !!
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 09:34 PM

Quote:

Quote:

i guess cardboard makes a decent filter?




Saves weight !!



Posted By: lewtot184

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 10:50 PM

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When will this internet based fairy tale end? I have over a half million miles and 4-500 bracket racing passes on Frams,never a failure.

at least not everybody here is drinking the kool-aid, . i've used my last wix due to drain back. same with k&n's. going back to baldwins in the old cars. never had an issue with purolators. come to think of it i've never had an isuue with FRAM.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 11:20 PM

Sorry but the Fram cardboard filters is not an internet fairy tale. It is the fact. Use them at your own risk. Some people have had no problem with them but I won't risk one of my high dollar motors on them. When you're shifting at 6500 rpm you don't want to trust cardboard junk filters. Take a Fram apart and then tell me how well made they are.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 11:32 PM


Cardboard end plates do not make "cardboard filters". All the end plate does is center the filter element.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/02/12 11:34 PM

Until they deteriorate and then centering goes down the tubes along with your engine.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 12:11 AM

Use whichever one gives you the "warm and fuzzies".



or
Posted By: Secret Chimp

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 12:14 AM

Wix/Napa Gold filters (and others, that's just what I like) use better parts and better construction. If you cut them apart next to a Fram there's absolutely no question and no reason not to spend the extra few dollars.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 12:16 AM

...this one;



do you REALLY need to see anything else?

Dave
Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 03:02 AM

well as far as the brackets go, they are stock, i could have the wrong belt. What length belt should it be?
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 04:12 PM

Don't have that info here at work; I'll try to remember to look when I get home.




Dave
Posted By: SomeCarGuy

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 05:10 PM

I hope his question about the filter length was answered.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 05:21 PM

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I hope his question about the filter length was answered.



No need to hope; just read the third post.


Dave
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/03/12 05:38 PM

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I hope his question about the filter length was answered.



The filter length isn't the problem.

I have seen a loose/too long power steering belt hit on the water pump pulley but never on the oil filter. . If you look at the picture posted above by DPelliter if the person has the correct parts it's kind hard to imagine the belt hitting the oil filter unless he has some enormous belt or the wrong setup ?

This is a case where not answering the question specifically is a good answer.
Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/05/12 07:51 PM

so basically i need to get a shorter belt and that sould solve the problem?
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/05/12 08:27 PM

Can you post some pics?
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/05/12 08:32 PM

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so basically i need to get a shorter belt and that sould solve the problem?



Hopefully
Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/06/12 05:38 PM

ill take a picture tonight and hopfully post it either tonight or tomorrow.

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Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/07/12 06:37 PM

here are a couple pics

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/07/12 08:05 PM

Your fan belt is too long , you are out at the end of the adjustment slot.

Nevermind the cheap filter .
Posted By: 440dustr

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/07/12 09:33 PM

not to change the subject but what are the numbers on the upper and lower radiator hoses that you used

thanks
Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/08/12 02:41 AM

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Your fan belt is too long , you are out at the end of the adjustment slot.

Nevermind the cheap filter .



cool, thanks for the help guys. I guess thats what i get for going to the local auto parts store.??? Seems stuff from them is always a 50/50 shot whether it is going to work or not. As for the hoses, again O'reilly around the corner.
The number on the top hose is 20630 and the bottom is 20663, thought im not 100% the bottom one is the correct one. It seems a little long, i had to trim some off. Still a little long, but i'll deal with that when i get it close to running, which should be in a couple weeks hopefully.
Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/21/12 02:00 AM

ok, i changed the belt, that didnt work. still rubbs the oil filter. not sure what else it could be. Maybe i need a smaller oil filter, wrong pully on the power steering pump, but that is the original one, i beleive. Or brackets on pump are wrong. ?????
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/21/12 03:35 PM

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here are a couple pics



you need a 2 groove wp pully so the ps belt goes from crank to wp to ps pump.

my 440 truck non a/c has it that way. 1 belt for ps and 1 belt to alt both on the same 2 groove wp pully.

in this pic it looks like it is touching the oil filter. but it is not.



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Posted By: mkbubs

Re: 440 oil filter question??? - 08/22/12 06:03 PM

cool thanks, i'll look into a new pully.
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