Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB

Posted By: cudabitten

Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/01/12 02:14 PM

Hi, I need to remove the 318 and the 904 from my 74 barracuda. Should I take these out together? I need to clean up both, then seperate and send the 318 out to be rebuilt.
I will be buying an engine hoist, I do not have a stand yet. So I'm trying to formulate my game plan.
Thanks.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/01/12 02:18 PM

easier coming out seperate, easier going in together. Pick your poison. I'd say pull both, that way you can service the trans while your motor is out getting work.

Posted By: Fat_Mike

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/01/12 04:29 PM

I'd pull them together. You'll find it quite an easy process using a leveler, so you can manipulate the angle as you hoist it out of the engine bay. If you have some scrap 2X10's or 2X12's laying around, you can build a simple "stand" to set you motor on until you're ready take it to the shop. Just build a rectagle box, just wide unought to set you oil pan into. For that matter, stack up a couple old tires to set the pan in.

Posted By: bonefish

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/01/12 06:33 PM

get the rear of the car up as high as you saftly can,it makes it alot easier.and get one of these.worth its weight in gold.

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Posted By: cudabitten

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 03:52 AM

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easier coming out seperate, easier going in together. Pick your poison. I'd say pull both, that way you can service the trans while your motor is out getting work.

This was my idea as well. The transmission seamed ok when I parked the car four years ago. I think just a fluid/screen change and belt adjustment. Its been a while since I've done this stuff.

To the other posters, I just picked up a hoist a few hours ago, and it came with one of thoses levelers. I hadn't even heard of this piece before, so thank you for passing the knowledge. I already have a friend lined up to help with the removal. Thanks for all the advice, I think were gonna try to remove both together.
I'm going to post again when I'm ready for some ideas for holding the engine and trans while seperating. Wood blocks and tires will probably be fine though.
Thanks,
Chris.

Posted By: bonefish

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 01:35 PM

leave the starter hooked up pull the pan and you can take he tq bolts out with a impact wrench,makes life MUCH easier.

Posted By: Mike P

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 01:52 PM

Those levelers work great, but just a hint when you use it, especially when reinstalling the motor. Use the next to the last pair of intake manifold bolt holes for the rear chain, not the most rear ones.

You have no idea how

you get when you finally have the whole mess almost back into position only to find out you have to pull everything back out because the chain is hitting the firewall and you can't go back far enough.

Posted By: cudabitten

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 03:00 PM

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leave the starter hooked up pull the pan and you can take he tq bolts out with a impact wrench,makes life MUCH easier.

Ok, your talking to an amateur here...
The oil pan right? What are TQ bolts?
Dont laugh at me.

Also Mike, thanks for the tip about the hoist placement.

Posted By: GrnMagic77

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 03:26 PM

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What are TQ bolts?

Torq Converter bolts...connects flex plate to torq converter.

Posted By: bonefish

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 03:41 PM

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What are TQ bolts?

Torq Converter bolts...connects flex plate to torq converter.

yeh,if you take the oil pan off its a straight shot with an IMPACT air wrench.if not its a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] with a hand wrench,especially with the motor out.leave the starter hooked up to turn the motor over to get to each bolt.(i didnt know bu--ger was a bad word

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Posted By: 471Magnum

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 04:40 PM

A leveler is a must if pulling together, but if they both have to come out, that's the way to go.

Check Harbor Freight for levelers. I think I paid $30 for mine 5-10 years ago and it works really well.

Jack the rear of the car way up to minimize the tilt required to clear the rad support. Definitely a two man job.

Posted By: CharlieB

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 05:07 PM

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get the rear of the car up as high as you saftly can,it makes it alot easier.and get one of these.worth its weight in gold.

best investment even for a single in/out project

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Posted By: Troy

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 05:08 PM

.......jack the back end of the car as high up as you can get it and pull the two together. You will have no problem at all.....

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 05:19 PM

Definitly take them out togeather.

Homemade by me, took a piece of 1/2" cold rolled steel and heated it up and wrapped it around a piece of pipe and then welded the ends.
Been using it for 30 years dozen of times, best part is was free.

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/02/12 05:22 PM

Gary...my husband made one that looks almost exactly like that. Works great!

Posted By: runinonmt

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/03/12 04:36 PM

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.......jack the back end of the car as high up as you can get it and pull the two together. You will have no problem at all.....

This sounds counter-intuitive but IS the best way. Leave a creeper under the car to rest the trans.tailshaft on. On my Stepson's RR we could do almost everything this way and no stretching over the fender to work.
Ron

Posted By: Bull1tt

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/03/12 05:06 PM

There's always the alternative route...

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Posted By: Bull1tt

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/03/12 05:07 PM

Nice and easy

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Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/03/12 05:18 PM

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Gary...my husband made one that looks almost exactly like that. Works great!

Cool!! what I like about it, it that it is compact and never get's in the way.
I have used it on many engines including International gas truck engines, 392 and MV404 which are huge and weigh way more than 440. So after those jobs I trust it completely.
I didn't use this cheap chinese hoist though when lifting bigger engines, I have a larger hoist at work that is way more hoist that these cheap ones. I like it because it folds up and is easier to store in my little home garage.

Always working by myself.

No chains in the way or bulky leveling devise overhead to reduce your lifting height.

Pulled this engine and tranny Sat morning to replace core plugs and was driving it Sunday in the afternoon.

Posted By: cudabitten

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/04/12 09:44 PM

Thanks for this advice, I'm not sure yet how this will help, but I'm sure it will become apparent when I'm doing it.
Thanks also for all the pictures. I'm gonna stick with the leveler that came with the hoist, since I bought it and my welder only goes to 1/8", and I'm not sure if I would trust my welds on this anyway.
Chris.

Posted By: BSharp

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/04/12 10:57 PM

Something to consider is that you can take the engine out seperately with a carb plate without removing the hood, usually the worst part of the job.

Posted By: GO_Fish

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/04/12 11:24 PM

Made a rookie mistake when I was a teen... If you pull both together (or install both together), make sure the trans is drained, and the rear end of the trans capped off. Fluid in the trans will quickly empty in your driveway when you have the engine/trans assembly tilted at a steep angle.

Posted By: RichL1967

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/05/12 12:09 AM

I did the exact same thing as a teen in 1985.
Boy was my father mad.

Posted By: krw71ragtop

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/05/12 12:39 AM

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.......jack the back end of the car as high up as you can get it and pull the two together. You will have no problem at all.....

This sounds counter-intuitive but IS the best way. Leave a creeper under the car to rest the trans.tailshaft on. On my Stepson's RR we could do almost everything this way and no stretching over the fender to work.
Ron

This method did not work worth a crap for me.

There is not enough room to slide the cherry picker under the front end of the car in my situation. Even tried loosening up the motor mounts but still couldn't get the right angle.

I ended up putting the rear end back on the ground and jacking up the front of the car and everything lined up fine. I won't waste my time jacking the rear end up to install the motor again. This was in an A-body but I would still do it the traditional way in any other body style.

Posted By: runinonmt

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/05/12 04:05 PM

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.......jack the back end of the car as high up as you can get it and pull the two together. You will have no problem at all.....

This sounds counter-intuitive but IS the best way. Leave a creeper under the car to rest the trans.tailshaft on. On my Stepson's RR we could do almost everything this way and no stretching over the fender to work.
Ron

This method did not work worth a crap for me. There is not enough room to slide the cherry picker under the front end of the car in my situation. Even tried loosening up the motor mounts but still couldn't get the right angle. I ended up putting the rear end back on the ground and jacking up the front of the car and everything lined up fine. I won't waste my time jacking the rear end up to install the motor again. This was in an A-body but I would still do it the traditional way in any other body style.

I can't see this being a problem unless the hood is left on. I should have mentioned jacking the trans to bring it to height once the engine is close to position and putting blocks on the creeper then loosely installing the trans mount.

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB - 03/05/12 04:27 PM

We just pulled a mated 360 and A833 out of our Dart, up through the engine bay, leaving the hood on. Plenty of clearance, but 4-speeds and all their parts are a PITA to get out, they hook on EVERYTHING. Cripes.