Posted By: Jambbii
518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 07:29 PM
Are these transmissions physcially the same size? I have a 47re laying around that I want to put in my challenger and I know the 518s fit.
Thanks
Thanks
518 size vs 618 (47re)
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 07:31 PM
yes they are the same EXCEPT the bellhousing is sized for a 13" or so converter. Because of that I am not sure if it's a little longer in the manicase.
What are you going to do about the electronics ?
What are you going to do about the electronics ?
Posted By: Jambbii
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 07:39 PM
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yes they are the same EXCEPT the bellhousing is sized for a 13" or so converter. Because of that I am not sure if it's a little longer in the manicase.
What are you going to do about the electronics ?
Bellhousing is going to be an ultra bell. I am thinking full maual vb. I heard by using this I can get rid of most of the electronics and put the od/lockup on a switch. This will be going in a high hp street car.
Posted By: feets
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 08:12 PM
If you're looking at a 618 from a diesel you will need to change the governor weight. They're really heavy to keep shift points low for the diesel rpm.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 08:12 PM
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yes they are the same EXCEPT the bellhousing is sized for a 13" or so converter. Because of that I am not sure if it's a little longer in the manicase.
What are you going to do about the electronics ?
Bellhousing is going to be an ultra bell. I am thinking full maual vb. I heard by using this I can get rid of most of the electronics and put the od/lockup on a switch. This will be going in a high hp street car.
Switch on OD and lockup along wit hthe full manual VB will do the trick , just be careful with the lockup clutch .
Do they make a high performance lockup convertor for gas engine these days?
Posted By: Jambbii
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 08:23 PM
Feets, yes it is from a diesel. Thanks for the tip.
JohnRR
I have played around plenty of times with a lockup switch mostly drag racing my 95. I know how dangerous they can be
I think the converter is going to be my biggest struggle. I know plenty of good diesel guys making decent units but nothing for the smaller converters that are going to hold up to big power. It may be a custom one off unit.
JohnRR
I have played around plenty of times with a lockup switch mostly drag racing my 95. I know how dangerous they can be
I think the converter is going to be my biggest struggle. I know plenty of good diesel guys making decent units but nothing for the smaller converters that are going to hold up to big power. It may be a custom one off unit.
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 09:29 PM
A 47re does not have a govenor diesel or gas. Just put the bell on it and swap VBs.
Posted By: hooziewhatsit
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/11/12 09:55 PM
Is it an RE or an RH? The first is electronically controlled, and needs a special computer. The latter (RH) can be controlled with toggle/vacuum switches.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 12:49 AM
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A 47re does not have a govenor diesel or gas. Just put the bell on it and swap VBs.
Swapping valve bodies won't do much good if there's no mechanical governor. The RE isn't a good choice for a retrofit.
Posted By: savoy64
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 12:55 AM
the diesel units are full of turbo400 internals and there is all kind of aftermarket stuff available---check with larry at chrisman torque converters he has pioneered a torqueflite converter with the same stuff inside----years ago he bought a $900 race converter from a big national chain then cut it open to find it full of machined down nissan stuff--that propelled him into using off the shelf american parts----check his website out----other guys here have mentioned using his stuff--and i think his are moderately priced too----bob
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 02:11 AM
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A 47re does not have a govenor diesel or gas. Just put the bell on it and swap VBs.
Swapping valve bodies won't do much good if there's no mechanical governor. The RE isn't a good choice for a retrofit.
He said he wanted a manual VB, the factory one will not shift manually just by leaving it unplugged. I suppose someone out there has a kit to modify the factory RE style VB into a manual shift but I have not seen one only a new VB for that.
Posted By: Jambbii
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 04:03 PM
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the diesel units are full of turbo400 internals and there is all kind of aftermarket stuff available---check with larry at chrisman torque converters he has pioneered a torqueflite converter with the same stuff inside----years ago he bought a $900 race converter from a big national chain then cut it open to find it full of machined down nissan stuff--that propelled him into using off the shelf american parts----check his website out----other guys here have mentioned using his stuff--and i think his are moderately priced too----bob
Thanks Bob,I will check him out!
I have a 47rh in my 95 that is holding up to 800+hp at the back tires in a heavy truck. I think if I can get rid of the elctronics in the RE it should hold up to 1000+hp in my challenger.
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 04:44 PM
an trans ending with RE has no mechanical governor.
I'm not a racer so I can't answer if installing a full manual valve body on an RE series trans will work or not
I'm not a racer so I can't answer if installing a full manual valve body on an RE series trans will work or not
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 05:20 PM
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an trans ending with RE has no mechanical governor.
I'm not a racer so I can't answer if installing a full manual valve body on an RE series trans will work or not
Yes it will Bill, there was a guy in Half moon bay ... RIP Noel
... with a 98 or 99 24V Cummins Ram that had a full manual VB in it ....Otherwise all the OP would need to do is change the OD section , but with a manual VB there is no need for the gov or it's circuit.
Posted By: moparts
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 07:49 PM
Question on the full manual VB
The only 518 full manual VB that I found is a Grinner with trans brake. This is a overdrive but non lock up 89-93
Is there a full manual VB with out trans brake?
For 518 over drive non lock up?
The only 518 full manual VB that I found is a Grinner with trans brake. This is a overdrive but non lock up 89-93
Is there a full manual VB with out trans brake?
For 518 over drive non lock up?
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 11:24 PM
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Question on the full manual VB
The only 518 full manual VB that I found is a Grinner with trans brake. This is a overdrive but non lock up 89-93
Is there a full manual VB with out trans brake?
For 518 over drive non lock up?
Diesel Transsmission Technology in British Columbia built the Manual VB i spoke of above , I can't remember if it had a transbrake in it or not. It might have because the Cummins needs to build boost at the line and that would sure make things easier.
Posted By: Evil Spirit
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/12/12 11:55 PM
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Question on the full manual VB
The only 518 full manual VB that I found is a Grinner with trans brake. This is a overdrive but non lock up 89-93
Is there a full manual VB with out trans brake?
For 518 over drive non lock up?
Diesel Transsmission Technology in British Columbia built the Manual VB i spoke of above , I can't remember if it had a transbrake in it or not. It might have because the Cummins needs to build boost at the line and that would sure make things easier.
Easier on everything except the reverse band and the forward clutch! I don't know if I want to sit on top of a trans being fed 1300FT/LBS of torque from a Cummins seeing 60+ LBS/Boost, being held in both low and reverse. I'm not saying they don't make a Trans/Brake for diesel 618's - I'm just looking at the "mechanicals" of using one. Sorta like "Yeah, I CAN load 600 grains of black powder into my muzzle loader, but should I?
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/13/12 12:14 AM
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Question on the full manual VB
The only 518 full manual VB that I found is a Grinner with trans brake. This is a overdrive but non lock up 89-93
Is there a full manual VB with out trans brake?
For 518 over drive non lock up?
Diesel Transsmission Technology in British Columbia built the Manual VB i spoke of above , I can't remember if it had a transbrake in it or not. It might have because the Cummins needs to build boost at the line and that would sure make things easier.
Easier on everything except the reverse band and the forward clutch! I don't know if I want to sit on top of a trans being fed 1300FT/LBS of torque from a Cummins seeing 60+ LBS/Boost, being held in both low and reverse. I'm not saying they don't make a Trans/Brake for diesel 618's - I'm just looking at the "mechanicals" of using one. Sorta like "Yeah, I CAN load 600 grains of black powder into my muzzle loader, but should I?
That's why I said ... I can't remember if ... , Bill built the manual VB because he knew the driver would have killed the trans with an auto shifting VB.
Posted By: fox
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/13/12 03:36 AM
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the diesel units are full of turbo400 internals and there is all kind of aftermarket stuff available---check with larry at chrisman torque converters he has pioneered a torqueflite converter with the same stuff inside----years ago he bought a $900 race converter from a big national chain then cut it open to find it full of machined down nissan stuff--that propelled him into using off the shelf american parts----check his website out----other guys here have mentioned using his stuff--and i think his are moderately priced too----bob
Now that is funny!
Who and why put chevy parts in a better trans?
This trans can easily be built so no NA gas motor will hurt it.
If the trans can be built and hold a diesel with 1500 Ft. lbs. it is over kill for a gas motor.
The T-400 is a good trans too.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/13/12 06:25 AM
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the diesel units are full of turbo400 internals ... ----bob
Care to elaborate on that ? I didn't find any turbo 400 parts inside my 2000 model year 47RE.
Posted By: Evil Spirit
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/13/12 04:39 PM
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the diesel units are full of turbo400 internals and there is all kind of aftermarket stuff available---check with larry at chrisman torque converters he has pioneered a torqueflite converter with the same stuff inside----years ago he bought a $900 race converter from a big national chain then cut it open to find it full of machined down nissan stuff--that propelled him into using off the shelf american parts----check his website out----other guys here have mentioned using his stuff--and i think his are moderately priced too----bob
Now that is funny!
Who and why put chevy parts in a better trans?
This trans can easily be built so no NA gas motor will hurt it.
If the trans can be built and hold a diesel with 1500 Ft. lbs. it is over kill for a gas motor.
The T-400 is a good trans too.
The CONVERTERS are built with T400 parts, not the TRANSMISSIONS.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/13/12 07:04 PM
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the diesel units are full of turbo400 internals and there is all kind of aftermarket stuff available---check with larry at chrisman torque converters he has pioneered a torqueflite converter with the same stuff inside----years ago he bought a $900 race converter from a big national chain then cut it open to find it full of machined down nissan stuff--that propelled him into using off the shelf american parts----check his website out----other guys here have mentioned using his stuff--and i think his are moderately priced too----bob
Now that is funny!
Who and why put chevy parts in a better trans?
This trans can easily be built so no NA gas motor will hurt it.
If the trans can be built and hold a diesel with 1500 Ft. lbs. it is over kill for a gas motor.
The T-400 is a good trans too.
The CONVERTERS are built with T400 parts, not the TRANSMISSIONS.
What parts ? Which convertor , stock or aftermarket ?
Posted By: savoy64
Re: 518 size vs 618 (47re) - 01/14/12 02:20 AM
Fox and johnrr---i was answering jambbii question about what to do about the converter---i was saying the converter is full of turbo 400 parts----and there is a load of cheap aftermarket stuff made for it----there is a legion of auto makers that paid royalties to chrysler for torqueflite technology since the early 60,s including ford and gm and numerous foreign makes---bob