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94 Caravan Transmission Failure

Posted By: ParadiseCuda

94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/07/11 05:33 AM

I have a 94 grand caravan and the trans has decided to not shift anymore. It is the 4 speed automatic behind a 3.0L. It feels like it is starting out in second and stays there. No up shifts or down shifts. It recently had the passenger side half shaft replaced. Trans fluid level is good. Where do I start to diagnose this issue?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/07/11 05:53 AM

Have it scanned...
Posted By: dOoC

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/07/11 05:57 AM

Those early auto trannies can be a horror show. LOOK in some of the CL posts .... LOTS of them are there "trans NR".

Chrysler didn't get the prob sorted out uNtil the late 02 model year.
Posted By: A12

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/07/11 03:25 PM

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I have a 94 grand caravan and the trans has decided to not shift anymore. It is the 4 speed automatic behind a 3.0L. It feels like it is starting out in second and stays there. No up shifts or down shifts. It recently had the passenger side half shaft replaced. Trans fluid level is good. Where do I start to diagnose this issue?




sounds like it is in the "limp" mode and may be a module or electronic issue. My '91 would do this and sometimes just disconnecting the battery would get it to (??) reset or something Have it scanned like suggested. (btw it too felt like it was in 2nd gear and would stay there and never shift just like you described......the "limp mode"


MikeR
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/07/11 04:58 PM

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"limp mode"




This is what I was thinking. When our 2000 did this it was just the speed sensor. There is a high and low speed snsor that tells it to shift. Replaced both and no problems since. 4 years gone by now.
Posted By: A12

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/07/11 06:12 PM

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"limp mode"




This is what I was thinking. When our 2000 did this it was just the speed sensor. There is a high and low speed snsor that tells it to shift. Replaced both and no problems since. 4 years gone by now.




Speed sensor sounds like this may be the cause.....and not that this would be an issue or a way of it going into the limp mode by the OP but I could get it to go into the limp mode by spinning the (front) wheels in slippery conditions like SNOW when I first started the car and the trans hadn't shifted yet. If it stayed in 2nd gear/limp mode then I'd have to shut the engine off and reset it, not spin the wheels until it shifted on its own.


MikeR
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/08/11 04:29 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I will try to reset it and then get it to a garage to run a scan. I sure hope it is speed sensors. I need to get a few more thousand miles out of it, I just put on some new tires which doubled the value of the van.

Thanks for the help.
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/11/11 04:45 AM

Where are the transmission speed sensors located on this 94 FWD Grand Caravan 4 speed automatic sitting beside a 3.0L. I took a look and I saw a few items that could be the sensors but I am not sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/11/11 05:14 AM

Found this, text said it was 91, might be the same...

Attached picture 6961242-transmission.gif
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/11/11 04:22 PM

Wild RT, that looks like the one. Once the sun comes up I will see if it matches up. Thank you.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/11/11 04:29 PM

95% of the time the input sensor is the problem,replace it with a OEM sensor,they are/were around $20 dealer cost,takes about ten minutes to change.You would be surprised how many transmission rebuilds were done/sold by shady transmission shops and dealers because of a $20 part..
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/11/11 10:50 PM

Wild_RT the picture you provided was spot on, thank you. I guess my web search skills need some improvement.

62maxwgn my plan was to replace both sensors but do the output sensor first since my speedodmeter was still working.

Thanks to all.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/11/11 10:54 PM

When looking for a picture rather than text I change to the images tag on Google... It makes finding a useful picture much easier..

Glad I could help...
Posted By: NTOLERANCE

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/12/11 05:12 AM

Also make certain your battery is good.

The 604 in my 96 sebring acted up alot and would go into limp mode on occasion. Even though the charging system was up to snuff, the battery would start he car...most of the time.

Changed the battery, shifting problems went away.
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 05:44 AM

Well, replaced both speed sensors and still no luck. I am going to inspect the wires on the input speed sensor a little closer tomorrow. I am hoping to find a broken wire by the sensor.

There never was a check engine light but I reset the computer by disconnecting the battery for a good 15 minutes. It only shifts one time and then stays in second. What a bummer.
Posted By: BRONZEBEE

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 05:49 AM

What were the codes on the scan? Guessing is expensive!
Posted By: Evil Spirit

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 06:54 AM

Get it to a TRANSMISSION shop and have them scan it, including a CVT (clutch volume test). They can shift fine but if the computer sees that it takes too much fluid to apply the clutches it assumes clutch wear and goes into limp in mode. Most regular scanners or code readers don't read this.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 03:16 PM

A bad TCM will also cause the same problem,get it scanned.Went through the same problem with my 93 T/C.
Posted By: dOoC

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 04:14 PM

Scanners? ...TCM's ??....

Oh - how I remember the dayz of a simple and straight-forward 727 or 904 !
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 05:54 PM

Well, then off to find a scanner. I didn't have it scanned yet. I will this week if no broken wires are found today.
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 06:38 PM

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Scanners? ...TCM's ??....

Oh - how I remember the dayz of a simple and straight-forward 727 or 904 !




Point is ?

Sorry, diagnose then versus now is no different.

What you know - you fix.
What you don't know - you find someone who does
Doesn't matter if it trans internal seals or trans electrical .

Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
In regards to repairing something over the internet, it's a crap shoot and/or a guess at best.
Posted By: dOoC

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 06:55 PM

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Point is ?






IS .. the cost of all this !

I can uNderstand the need for all the E for the engine ... but the trans ? ....
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 07:29 PM

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IS .. the cost of all this !

I can uNderstand the need for all the E for the engine ... but the trans ? ....




Costs are irrelavent.
Advancements in engine technology is no different than advancements in transmission technology.

99% of it is to lower emissions - improve fuel mileage.
nothing more - nothing less.

No offense meant, but throwing parts at anything in an attempt it 'might' fix it,, is ( to me) a huge waste of time ,effort and money.

My point is, diagnosis is key. AND if used properly IS your friend.


I've done A604 based trans work for the better part of the last 15-20 years.
input / output speed sensors fixed maybe 20-30% of shift issues

I do understand, theyre cheap( but they are not free ) And now what could have been maybe $85 for an hours worth if diag time is now going to cost $125( based on my local dealers $85 an hour labor rate)

IMO one hours worth of diag time from someone with the equipment and knows how to use it is money well spent .



Merry Christmas to all
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 07:45 PM

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IS .. the cost of all this !

I can uNderstand the need for all the E for the engine ... but the trans ? ....




Doc, go park your dinosaur and move into the 21 century...
injection really does work also
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 08:29 PM

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IS .. the cost of all this !

I can uNderstand the need for all the E for the engine ... but the trans ? ....




Doc, go park your dinosaur and move into the 21 century...
injection really does work also





But Mike, he loves his Thermoquads. He's even got one on his lawnmower.
Posted By: dOoC

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 11:51 PM

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IS .. the cost of all this !

I can uNderstand the need for all the E for the engine ... but the trans ? ....




Doc, go park your dinosaur and move into the 21 century...
injection really does work also





But Mike, he loves his Thermoquads. He's even got one on his lawnmower.




Whata' buncha' ....

P-guy .... LET'S see that FI and E-trans on your P-car !!

and 'zilla .... YOU are YURR /6 ...talk about YESTERtech ...

Even I have a V-6 !
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Follow-up - 12/18/11 11:56 PM

Whata' buncha' ....

P-guy .... LET'S see that FI and E-trans on your P-car !!

and 'zilla .... YOU are YURR /6 ...talk about YESTERtech ...

Even I have a V-6 !




If I had a extra $2500 I would have electronic injection
on my P Body but I dont have it... I do have a electric
OD on my Rampage but still cant afford the FI on it
Posted By: ParadiseCuda

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure Update - 12/28/11 05:48 AM

Had it scanned and it was the low/reverse pressure switch. Changed the solenoid pack and all is well. Thanks for all the help everyone.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: 94 Caravan Transmission Failure - 12/28/11 06:11 AM

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