440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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Hi everyone,
I'm looking to rebuild the 440 in my 65 Coronet for street/strip duty. I want to be able to run on pump gas to retain streetability. I live in NJ so I can get 92/93 octane. I am planning on a 4.15 stroker crank and rods from 440 source, with .030 over SRP forged pistons (p/n 231521 - 4032 alloy), Edelbrock Performer Alumimum heads (p/n 60929), Comp Cams Comp Kit CCA-K21-233-4 (290/298 .540/.558 - solid flat tappet) with Comp 1621 roller rockers (1.5 ratio), Edelbrock Performer 440 dual plane manifold (2191), Carter thermoquad, a 2800 stall converter, 3.91 gears (I also have a set of 3.55s and 3.23s to try out too if necessary) and 26 inch tall Mickey Thompson ET Drag radials. The cars has Mopar Performance Super Stock springs too.
With those edelbrock heads (84cc), a .039 gasket, knocking .010 off the deck of the block (guesstimate), on paper, the compression ratio works out to 10.75:1 and the pistons are .015 down in the hole.
Any ideas on what to expect horsepower-wise with this setup and what times I will run in the 1/4-mile? Are the Edelbrock Victor heads a good setup up, or are Victors too much for the street?
Suggestions welcome.
Thanks,
Rob
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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i vote for the performer rpm,unless you are planning spinning that thing 7,000.it picked my car up a bunch over a single plane,i shift at 6300.3400lbs [Email]11.30s.leaving@2200rpm.[/Email]
I believe you went from a 4150 Team G to the RPM, correct? The 4150 Team Gs usually have major issues.....
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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Id go with a single plane...with 500 cubes I see no reason for a dual plane. Unless it is the Indy intake with some port work. SD or M1 should work well. More converter, maybe a Vic. Id go more cam, converter and a Vic, but apparently (on this board anyway)Im pretty liberal....
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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I agree with Mr Yuck here except for the "it will be a dog with 3.23s" part. With the parts listed and a better intake and converter your car should easily go high 11s no matter what gear is in it.
Well Tim, you beat me to the 3.23 comment.
I agree that the ops combo should go 11s...with ease.
I have 50 less cubes, more cam, more weight, less heads, bigger headers, etc and it ran fine on the street with 3.23s......No where near a "dog".
Ya, at the track the 3.23s would cost me..But the butt dyno doesnt say more than 2 tenths..FWIW.
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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[quote Sounds like the converter is key. That's convincing me to spend the money for a good one for my specs
Right you are!!!
But, in Tims case (forphorty above) I believe his ETS were with.... a GER converter.
Im sure he will respond, but I believe he has a dyamic now and the car doesnt run any quicker. For sure not the general rule of thumb...But the GER worked.
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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Actually I was asking as I am converter ignorant but you (& others) are convincing me that it is a critical piece
The best converter Ive had/have is a TA 8 inch. Flashes 5k and drives VERY nice on the street. The converter started life as a Munsinger and TA went through it last. So, not sure if all TA "tight" 8s are as good.
For the money, PTC gets my vote. 4 bills and change you get a really good converter.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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Id go with a single plane...with 500 cubes I see no reason for a dual plane. Unless it is the Indy intake with some port work.
SD or M1 should work well. More converter, maybe a Vic.
Id go more cam, converter and a Vic, but apparently (on this board anyway)Im pretty liberal....
m1 is no better than a team g i can guarantee that,now back to rpms its going to be ran at most of the time,that will make the difference.if i'm gona spend someone elses money its gonna have somethin pushin air.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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[quote Sounds like the converter is key. That's convincing me to spend the money for a good one for my specs
Right you are!!!
But, in Tims case (forphorty above) I believe his ETS were with.... a GER converter.
Im sure he will respond, but I believe he has a dyamic now and the car doesnt run any quicker. For sure not the general rule of thumb...But the GER worked.
Yep, GER. Haven't run it with the Dynamic. Doesn't feel any faster with it, but also doesn't crack flex plates like the GER did on a regular basis. Poor car is falling apart. I need to plug the leaks and rebuild the front suspension before it runs down the track again. And the front floor pans are beginning to look like Fred Flintstones.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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[quote m1 is no better than a team g i can guarantee that, [/quote
4500 flange Team G probably is better.. 4150 flange most likely not...
I discussed this very subject with Dwayne a couple of weeks ago. I saw how how much improvment you got going to a RPM and it had me thinking. But, after talking with Dwayne I have a better understanding of why you might have picked up so much with the intake swap...
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: 440 build-up - How does this combo sound?
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Not a bad combo at all but I would make a few changes. More converter , a better intake and I myself would use a Holley DP carb for your setup. Its very close to my 440 other then yours will be stroked. I have the MP .557 cam that looks close to your cam by the specs you have. I run the Holley SD intake which should work nice on your combo. I have seen some strokers running the Performer RPM intake and they seem to work good on mild strokers. The RPM surprised me as how good it still pulls up at 6500 as my son uses one on his 400 in his Dart. Its a nice street/strip intake also. I use a Dynamic 9.5 converter that flashes about 4200 but drives like a normal converter. I really like that converter in my street/strip cars. I would say with a good intake (SD or RPM) and a nice converter with about 3800 flash and an 850 DP at least will really bring it alive. 11's should be easy for you then. I am pulling my 440 out this week to put my new 493 stroker in my 63 and my old 440 will be going in my buddies black 65 Coronet 500. He does not want to put a roll bar in it so he does not want to go faster then 11.50's. My car went 11.49 with it so his 65 should run mid 11's and your's should run easy 11's and even low 11's if you really get aggressive with your combo. Got any pics of your 65 ? Good luck , Ron
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