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Critique my corner weights #991713
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Just got off the scales at a friends shop, tell me how this looks to you.
LF 865 RF 805
LR 788 RR 792
Total weight for my big block Duster including my 185# is 3250. Weights are with me in the car in the race ready mode.
Do you think I'm close to correct. My last pass last fall went WAY crooked and ended up with a smashed oil pan....what a drag!?

Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: marvo451] #991714
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as close as you need to start off.

what type rear suspension ?


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Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: marvo451] #991715
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Looks real close... you MIGHT need a touch more on
the RR but that will be found out on the launch...
have someone video your launches

Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: marvo451] #991716
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Your weights look typical for a BB A body car, maybe a little better than most on the right rear weight I have been told by several factory back Mopar SS racers years ago that you need 30 lbs more on the right rear than the left rear for best perforamnce on a drag car Your car going crooked is not from the weight distribution in my opinion Look at the tire circumferences on the rear tires, shoot for 1/4 inch or less in circumference differences If they are close then look at the rear end alignment to the chassis and or bent rear shocks or binding in the suspension in both the front or rear. My Duster use to go straigt as a arrow until I readjusted the ride hieght and the coil spring preload to get some more weight on the RR, it went left until I readjusted both springs to the same hieght with the weight on them that was with the 8 3/4 in the car, it now has a Dana 60 in it Take your time and see what you find BTW, my car ended up bending and tweaking the 8 3/4 rear end housing bad enough to need replacing, it now has a cut down Dana 60 truck rear end in it, ladder bars and coil overs rear suspension with a diagonal link IHTHs


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Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: Cab_Burge] #991717
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I agree with Cab on the 30# on the RR, thats exactly what mine took to make it leave straight, you look close so I would try a couple of hit's and see what happens and adjust from there, just watch a few cars first and try and determine if the track is hooking straight, some times that will throw things off, also try both lanes.


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Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: Cab_Burge] #991718
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Ladder bar, coil over double adjustable Strange shocks. Stock type front suspension with single adjustable Stranges.

Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: marvo451] #991719
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Start with 30/40 pounds more on the RR than on the LR. Which way was the car hooking(driving)?

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Ususlly goes straight, but went seriously right while in the air, then came down HARD. That is why I scaled it trying to find out if something was seriously out of whack or bent. Car has 5 flats of preload on the Right ladder bar. Also, the car has 2 deep cycle marine batteries on the Right rear in the trunk.

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Ususlly goes straight, but went seriously right while in the air, then came down HARD. That is why I scaled it trying to find out if something was seriously out of whack or bent. Car has 5 flats of preload on the Right ladder bar. Also, the car has 2 deep cycle marine batteries on the Right rear in the trunk.


Was this a one time deal or did it always go right when the front tires where in the air? If always look for the problem , if only once maybe there was some slippery or wet stuff on the track My car has no prelaod on the ladder bars, a little more tension on the left torsion bar and equal lengths now on the rear springs and cup adjustments I do run a spool and I make sure that the rear tires are within 1/8 inch of each other on the circumference  , I have two deep cyles mounted like yours on the right side also Ain't racing fun


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Re: Critique my corner weights [Re: marvo451] #991722
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Car has 5 flats of preload on the Right ladder bar.


you should look for a problem, there should be no way you need 5 flats. tighten up the left front to transfer weight on the right rear.

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Yep.........5 flats is what it took to make it go straight.

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Yep.........5 flats is what it took to make it go straight.




When you scaled the car were you at 0 pre-load to
get the measurements

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No, 5 flats is what is is raced at...........race ready status
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai5EnELtPWI
This link shows the 2 passes I made in time trials last November. First pass is a little over 1 minute in and the "pan wrecker" is a little over 3 minutes in.

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No, 5 flats is what is is raced at...........race ready status




Normally you scale a car with 0 pre-load then add
in 20# or so then hit the track to see what it does
then add or subtract to correct... but the weights
looked close...if you add alot of pre-load it can
up-set the car on decell on the top end when you nose over

Re: Critique my corner weights.....UPDATE [Re: MR_P_BODY] #991727
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Took the car to Mopars at the Motorplex at Ennis. Car went straight as a string. 60 ft. 1.37, only problem was trying to calm the car down as it was carrying the fronts to right at the 60 ft beams.

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Check out this picture from the Motorplex....

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Check out this picture from the Motorplex....


I like to see 1 to 3 inches of air under both front tires, anymore is wasted energy hiking them higher I would try stiffer shock settings to start with and then maybe the front ladder bar location, what hole is your bars in the front now?


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Front shocks ened up full stiff and I adjusted the rears after every pass. That was NOT the biggest wheelstand of the day. Rear Strange shocks are at 5 Extension and 5 Compression now.

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It lloks like your front bar joint is in the middle or upper hole on the, is it? if so I would try the lowest hole if you move the bars down don't forget to check and reset the pinion angle as needed I like 2 to 4 degrees difference pinion nose down between the drive shaft and the pinion angle on my Duster with ladder bars

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Ladder bar is one hole from the top and is pointing downhill slightlty. I believe the position is close where it is. Any lower resulted in even larger wheelstands and less consistent traction. Where I usually race doesn't have the kind of traction as the Motorplex does.







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