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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: pinkduster] #986882 05/07/11 06:37 PM 05/07/11 06:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart pro stock
Crazy68Dart pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	I think you are in trouble, to be honest. Those are the 5.4 with the supercharger, correct? If it is the same setup as I am thinking, only a few little mods get a lot of power out of those things. FWIW, the new 5.0s are making 400+ hp from the factory, idle like a pooch and get 25+ MPG on the highway. I say Ford is doing something right. Fine with me, American all the way! 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: pinkduster] #986883 05/07/11 07:16 PM 05/07/11 07:16 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA S Silverbullet2 OP mopar
Silverbullet2 OP mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	Thanks a million guys!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: pinkduster] #986884 05/07/11 09:23 PM 05/07/11 09:23 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Just go hammer him. I bet it won't be as difficult as some assume.

Re: Grudge race advice #986885 05/08/11 03:23 AM 05/08/11 03:23 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765 Q quick77rt Parts Problem
quick77rt Parts Problem Q Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765	Crazy ironic, this post and just two days ago I spotted a stang I didnt know what it was... It stopped in front of the shop today and made its presence pretty obvious...I know its a saleen and from what it sounded like , possibly a S351 with the whine that was coming from under the hood, sounded like a borla exhaust system. Talked to a guy tonight who said the owners dad just helped him get the motor back in...I think he knew more about the car then he said but who knows.... I think I can get some action from this guy.....whats that watch what ya wish for thing??????? 6622898-DSC05292.JPG (93 downloads)

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: quick77rt ] #986886 05/08/11 10:23 AM 05/08/11 10:23 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,008 Sweet Home Alabama M MRMOPAR622 top fuel
MRMOPAR622 top fuel M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,008 Sweet Home Alabama	Is this still Moparts the Best Mopar Site on the internet????? I am use to hearing this kind of talk at the track before they see my Mopar run,but to hear it on a Mopar site. WAKE UP PEOPLE Quit bad mouthing all that Indy stuff(you can buy it from dealers on here not Indy)and start buying it and put it on your cars. :cool Its time you all stop down to them x-brand cars. Its true I may spend a lot of Hard earned $$$$ on my Mopar but them x-brand people have to down to me,not the other way around. Stand up for your fellow MOPAR Racers,never to them furds & chebbies AGAIN!!!! "To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man" "T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: MRMOPAR622] #986887 05/08/11 06:14 PM 05/08/11 06:14 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,152 Central NC gch master
gch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,152 Central NC	Get in some track time on yours before you think of racing anybody.Get familiar with your car and how it reacts with some sticky tires. Too little air may cause the rear end to wiggle on a hard gear change and they can get squirrelly on the top end. Have yours on a chassis dyno to see what you have and how you can improve it. It may well turn out to be a drivers race.I would much rather be the one who can drive.Practice.........

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986888 05/08/11 07:45 PM 05/08/11 07:45 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az. H hemicop super stock
hemicop super stock H Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az.	A former co-worker has an 09 Shelby GT500 and has talked some smack all along. I'd really enjoy showing him the backside of the X. I really think deep 11s are possible with this car, maybe better, but I haven't been on a dragstrip in years. I'm no Ronnie Sox or Joel Nystrom, but I truly believe I should be able to cover that Shelby. What do I need to do as far as setting up the car and driving technique to get out front and stay there. THANKS GUYS! "Cudabin" gave you the best advice regarding your car. I'd probably do all he suggested & perhaps looking at ways of loosening up the front-end a bit. As to the race---downplay you & your car's "skill's", admit nothing & pre-arrange the rules. If you can pull him, do it, but keep just a fender on him all the time until you feel confident & are racing for some big money. Run him heads-up only, despite his possible crying of big motor-vs.- little motor. Don't underestimate his driving--he may be "pear-shaped" but HE isn't running, his car is. 50+ isn't really an oldman for racing, so all that argument is moot. You need to practice ---ALOT! Find someone you respect to follow along, gauge your driving & possibly offer some tips. Remember, your car is not a rev-monster like a smallblock, blown DOHC motor can be, so don't even try. As others have said, I think this is gonna be a driver's race......good luck!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: gch] #986889 05/08/11 07:47 PM 05/08/11 07:47 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA S Silverbullet2 OP mopar
Silverbullet2 OP mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	Dang I think that Shelby would have it's hands full with your Polara!!!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986890 05/08/11 10:27 PM 05/08/11 10:27 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,152 Central NC gch master
gch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,152 Central NC	The Polara has been sleeping since my son was born 19 months ago.It has surprised a few modern cars at the track(and on the street). The new stuff is getting faster all the time.Kinda hard for an old dog to keep up now a days.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: gch] #986891 05/09/11 02:06 PM 05/09/11 02:06 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA S Silverbullet2 OP mopar
Silverbullet2 OP mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	I drove it again with the drag radials and traction is way better even without doing a burnout. A lot less wheelspin and it stays straighter too. I really am rusty with the 4 speed. One poster suggested I'd be lucky to break into the 12s, and right now I would be. I definitely need to drive the car, get used to it, and practice. That motor pulls so hard and revs so quickly it's not easy to grab another gear before you're all over the rev limiter. Be nice to have a half wore out 383 to practice shifting on!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986892 05/09/11 02:28 PM 05/09/11 02:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas dannysbee master
dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	This is how a over 50 guy would do it. Put a shift light in it and once you release the clutch on launch preload the shifter like you are trying to make your shift to second. Don't worry as long as you are on the gas you will not pull it out of gear. When the light flashes tap the clutch, not a full blown to the floor petal mash, but enough to take the load off the drive train which will put you near instantly into second. Repeat for third and fourth keeping the throttle floored this whole process. This along with figuring how many rpm you need on the launch to keep the car from bogging will go along way toward making your GTX perform to its best. Practice, practice, practice and don't be afraid to tear it up, it can be fixed. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986893 05/09/11 03:24 PM 05/09/11 03:24 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky	Quote: That motor pulls so hard and revs so quickly it's not easy to grab another gear before you're all over the rev limiter. Are you using a shift light? If not get one, set it 4-500 rpm less than you want to shift, then as you get better set it closer to your shift point. How much difference (rpm)is there between you're shift point and the limiter? I don't like using a limiter as my shift point.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: justinp61] #986894 05/09/11 08:55 PM 05/09/11 08:55 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA S Silverbullet2 OP mopar
Silverbullet2 OP mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	I put a 6000 chip in the MSD to be on the safe side. Don't take long to get there in 1st either. I appreciate the shifting advice too. You definitely need to be wide awake when you nail this thing!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: dannysbee] #986895 05/09/11 10:04 PM 05/09/11 10:04 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI 6 68 HEMI GTS mopar
68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	Quote: This is how a over 50 guy would do it. Put a shift light in it and once you release the clutch on launch preload the shifter like you are trying to make your shift to second. Don't worry as long as you are on the gas you will not pull it out of gear. When the light flashes tap the clutch, not a full blown to the floor petal mash, but enough to take the load off the drive train which will put you near instantly into second. Repeat for third and fourth keeping the throttle floored this whole process. This along with figuring how many rpm you need on the launch to keep the car from bogging will go along way toward making your GTX perform to its best. Practice, practice, practice and don't be afraid to tear it up, it can be fixed. great advice i think the biggest issue your gonna have is getting the car off the line. Hemi's are a little soft on bottom end. with only a 4.10 gear and a 2.65 first its gonna be a battle between bogging the motor or blowing the tires off. i run a 4.56 in my dart, with the stock ratio hemi box and a street clutch it didn't leave real well (compared to the auto). i've actually switched to a 2.93 first and a slipper clutch. haven't ran it at the track yet. the low first feels alot better with the street driving i've done. too bad you didn't have one of these to swap in, they shift a little easier at 7 grand 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #986896 05/09/11 11:02 PM 05/09/11 11:02 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,403 WASHINGTON, PA 1 11secaarcuda top fuel
11secaarcuda top fuel 1 Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,403 WASHINGTON, PA	That 6000 rpm chip in the MSD needs to go. I would up it to at least 6500. 67 Dart GT 340 4 speed 70 AAR Cuda 408 6 barrel 96 Indy Ram original owner 2011 Hemi Durango

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: 11secaarcuda] #986897 05/09/11 11:10 PM 05/09/11 11:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,403 WASHINGTON, PA 1 11secaarcuda top fuel
11secaarcuda top fuel 1 Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,403 WASHINGTON, PA	I had a guy like this that ran his mouth all the time about his 04 supercharged Cobra. He had lots of modifications (different pulley on the blower, bigger exhaust, reprogrammed ECM, bigger throttle body, drag radials, etc.) and dyno time on it, and I knew my Cuda was at a power disadvantage. But when the time came, I showed him my taillights big time. He didn't know how to drive the car, and he sold it shortly thereafter. The funny thing is, the shop that did all the work to the car told him that if you can't beat that Cuda, you better sell your car. And he did. LOL. He couldn't even beat a 340 6 barrel Cuda with factory heads, intake, carbs, block, crank... These new cars just keep getting faster and faster though. Its amazing what you can buy off the dealer lots these days. 6625632-rallys.jpg (97 downloads) 67 Dart GT 340 4 speed 70 AAR Cuda 408 6 barrel 96 Indy Ram original owner 2011 Hemi Durango

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: 11secaarcuda] #986898 05/10/11 07:30 AM 05/10/11 07:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA S Silverbullet2 OP mopar
Silverbullet2 OP mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	I worked on a GT500 that had twin turbos added underneath, right off the headers in addition to the factory huffer. Reportedly dynoed over 1000 hp at the wheels. Figured he was deep in the 9s, but heard the car actually ran 12.40s...

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: 11secaarcuda] #986899 05/10/11 08:20 AM 05/10/11 08:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop dustergirl340 Chicken Little
dustergirl340 Chicken Little Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop	Quote: These new cars just keep getting faster and faster though. Its amazing what you can buy off the dealer lots these days. And it's equally amazing how many people can't drive the things. I can't tell you how many races I should have lost but didn't, just because the other driver didn't know what he was doing.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: dustergirl340] #986900 05/10/11 12:12 PM 05/10/11 12:12 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,644 North Carolina sasquatch master
sasquatch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,644 North Carolina	IF racing at the track, learn how to stage the car properly and cut a light. Holeshots can do wonders for your self asteem. Todd www.mopartsracing.com

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: sasquatch] #986901 05/10/11 12:56 PM 05/10/11 12:56 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 40 Woodburn,OR W Womanator member
Womanator member W Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 40 Woodburn,OR	I have a couple of fast Mop's A 9 sec and 10 sec Dart. Now to my 03 Cobra. With just changing to 4.10 gears,Short throw shifter and Superchips program it ran a 12.38 in the 1/4 mile with the traction control on. I've also have seen the Shelby's at the strip struggle with traction and have even helped a couple learn how to drive there cars. All I'm saying is be careful about the race. These cars have the T-56 6 speeds and I never missed a shift in my SRT-10 Pick-up. Good luck.

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