Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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Quick question, and excuse the ignorance. For the A12 Bees and Runners the last 6 are the sequence #'s. Would they ever be the same on any 2 A12 cars? For instance, could a WM21,WM23,RM21,or RM23 have the same last 6 in the VIN? Do the sequence #'s go Bird, Bee, Bird, Bee, or no logical order? If this belongs on a seperate post let me know.
No two cars would have the same sequence number at the same plant. So to answer your question no two A12's would have the same number. No WM23M9A270681 AND WM21M9A270681 OR RM23M9A270681 OR RM21M9A270681. What you could have is the same number frrom different assembly plants but as you know all A12 were built at Lynch Rd. So you could have RM21NOA136146 AND RM21NOG136146. Dave
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/17/04 06:23 AM
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Found a Runner from Lynch Rd that is a 383 car and has a last 6 close to an A12 in the registry. The one is the registry is 267291 and the one I know of is only 64 cars off. They are both the same body style as well. Just thought it would help some.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/17/04 11:40 AM
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Found a Runner from Lynch Rd that is a 383 car and has a last 6 close to an A12 in the registry. The one is the registry is 267291 and the one I know of is only 64 cars off. They are both the same body style as well. Just thought it would help some.
They might well have been built on the same day. So the question is, what is the scheduled build date of the car you looked at.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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Would it be possible to find an copy of the archived Federal regulations regarding V.I.N.numbers and then determine if the same last 6 didgits could be applied to a car built at a different plant.Just wondering
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/18/04 11:29 AM
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The VIN was a 13 digit code. Like 69_SIX_PACK stated you could have a RM21 NOG 123456 car and also a RM21 NOE 123456 car built, while the last six digits are the same the entire VIN is different.
The newer VIN law states that a VIN (now 15 digits) if I remember correctly can not be duplicated for 20 years.
Amazing how an unchallenged lie can become the absolute truth.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/21/04 02:47 PM
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Ok here is some info for late built A12's. I looked at a Runner from Lynch Rd. yesterday and here is what it had on the tag:
last 6-267355 scheduled build date-506 order number-145026
Hope this helps some.
I have some questions about this tag. Was it coded Y39? What was the color of the exterior? Did the owner have the broadcast sheet for the car?
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/21/04 10:06 PM
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Ahooah,
Thanks for the input and thanks for getting this thread back on track. All info helps in one way or another.
I think your broader point is a good one....that being the question: Can we use other Lynch road cars as A12 production info gap fillers?
I am disapointed that so few 'numbers matching' A12 cars have come forward with info thus far. I think we could really break some new ground here if only more data was available.
Those who have come forward have supplied good info-- which might have only been previously assumed or known to a select few in this hobby.
That info being real production dates (EADs) and corelating major engine component dates-- which could indicate the legitimacy of cars, and their major components when they come up for sale.
In other words, those who understand the basic pattern of the 'sequence/cast/EAD' have an advantage in detecting cars that follow the known pattern and those that don't.
Expansion on that theme will always be open to additional info...which simply means adding new original cast dates, EADs, and sequence numbers. Your point being if we can use non A12 cars to whittle the gaps in that expanse down, why not?
If this is a viable option we would need to find these cars in 'original condition' (namely an original motor). Then simply list that motor's EAD, cast and the VIN sequence number.
From there we compare with known A12 EAD, cast and sequence numbers to see if they all jive. If after several comparisons they do, we might want to consider them as useful in building a better A12 production timeline. The end game for this being the ability to take an A12 sequence number and have some fairly accurate idea of when the car's motor was assembled and where the parts for that motor should be dated.
As always, this is open to constructive critism. Anything that helps build a better understanding is always welcome (go ahead fellas--fire away!).
Thanks again ahooah!
Best regards, Coop
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/24/04 08:14 PM
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There's a Bee on E-Bay with VIN WM23H9A295300. Which the VIN falls in between two Bees on the registry with 4/26 build dates if someone is interested in e-mailing the seller and seeing when that car was built. Just a thought. Ok, got an e-mail back from the guy and it was built on 6/12/69. This might help some figure out when the cars were built.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/28/04 09:17 AM
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Dannysbee 290229 vin carbs 1219 April 30 trans assembly 2854 May 21 door panel May 5 That is all my car has to offer hope it helps.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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04/28/04 11:04 PM
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I own a 1970 440 Six Pack Numbers Matching Super Bee. I do not know when the engine was put into the car.
Car Built 10-69 Block Forged 7-24-69 Engine Built 10-8-69
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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06/16/04 06:14 PM
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There is a '69 Runner on E-bay right now (6-16-04) with Vin#RM21H9A254049, build date of 4/04, and sequence #B28914. The VIN falls between 2 Runners on the registry (car #106 and #172)with the following info: Car #106 VIN#RM21M9A246436, build date of 3/29, and sequence #949304. Car #172 VIN#RM21M9A2577095, build date of 3/29, and sequence #949085. I don't know how long the auction is up for, but here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2482194380&category=43921&sspagename=WDVWAnd here is a pic of the fendertag in case the auction is gone.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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06/18/04 04:53 AM
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In the left upper corner there are five (5) numbers. The "Gate" number (First two digits) and the "Base" number (last three digits) what do these numbers mean?
All of the Lynch Road tags have a "1" for the third digit or the first number of the "Base" number. All of the Base numbers are either: 10X, 11X, 12X, 13X, 14X and 15X. I have not seen, to this point, any higher numbers than 15X (no 16X, etc.,). The majority of the A12 tags that I have see have either 11X or 15X for the "Base" number.
There are three A12 tags shown in attachments (by me) in this thread HERE that have a sideways "X" inspectors mark that the "Base" number is 15X. The V.I.N's and lower right sequence numbers, of these three tags, are not close at all nor are the numbers to the right of the gate and base numbers, the they have the same inspectors "X" on them. He apparently worked quite a bit in '69 .
I don't know if this observation has ANY value at all, I just thought I'd throw it in the pot.
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