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Dropped Spindles #979460 04/24/11 01:17 PM 04/24/11 01:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 84 Minnesota C Coldart OP member
Coldart OP member C Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 84 Minnesota	Want to lower this dart and keep the alignment in control. Anyone use these? AIRBAGIT.COM Z2230 They claim there dropped, but picture looks like stock knockoffs. Backed the bars off, but with trying to keep 5" travel I've got camber issues. Probably a good 2 mos before it goes to track - no time and even less money

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Coldart] #979461 04/24/11 01:53 PM 04/24/11 01:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA Leon441 master
Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	If the spindle is a 2" drop as stated it is surely the way to go. Lowering with the torsion bar screws the geometry up. Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Coldart] #979462 04/24/11 02:59 PM 04/24/11 02:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,379 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,379 Las Vegas	There are drop spindles avaialable. IIRC Fatman fabrication makes them.. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Al_Alguire] #979463 04/24/11 03:05 PM 04/24/11 03:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	I'm dealing with this at the moment as well. Lower it down and camber goes to poop. Raise it up and the car wont transfer weight. Looking at everything from Tubular UCA's, Ajustable Heim Joint strut rods and everything else. Not sure which direction to go. Last edited by Triple Threat; 04/24/11 03:17 PM. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Triple Threat] #979464 04/24/11 05:19 PM 04/24/11 05:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: I'm dealing with this at the moment as well. Lower it down and camber goes to poop. Raise it up and the car wont transfer weight. Looking at everything from Tubular UCA's, Ajustable Heim Joint strut rods and everything else. Not sure which direction to go. Adjust the camber again and re-align the car when you lower the car that much. Use offset Moog 7103 upper control arm bushing installed for more postive caster (don't follow instructions) to make the car easier to drive straighter (lower E.T.) down the strip.

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Leon441] #979465 04/24/11 05:29 PM 04/24/11 05:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: If the spindle is a 2" drop as stated it is surely the way to go. Lowering with the torsion bar screws the geometry up. How does it screw the geometry up? It changes the alignment. So you re-align the car and move on.

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: autoxcuda] #979466 04/24/11 05:46 PM 04/24/11 05:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ SSDAcuda super stock
SSDAcuda super stock Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ	The Bump steer goes to he!! when lowered. Also, don't know about now, but when I sent my factory spindles out to lamb, there were no forged drop spindles. I think all the dropped spindles were two piece. This was about a year ago, so might've changed, but lamb wouldn't use anything but forged factory spindles. The car sits low enough with the factory spindles and lowered torsion bars, but bump steer was addressed in the build... SS/DA 1924

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Al_Alguire] #979467 04/24/11 06:11 PM 04/24/11 06:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Quote: There are drop spindles avaialable. IIRC Fatman fabrication makes them.. I have the fatman spindles... get the magnum force ones: they're 1-piece=better. -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: SSDAcuda] #979468 04/24/11 06:38 PM 04/24/11 06:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: The Bump steer goes to he!! when lowered. Also, don't know about now, but when I sent my factory spindles out to lamb, there were no forged drop spindles. I think all the dropped spindles were two piece. This was about a year ago, so might've changed, but lamb wouldn't use anything but forged factory spindles. The car sits low enough with the factory spindles and lowered torsion bars, but bump steer was addressed in the build... Is that by yours/Lamb's bumpsteer measurements? How much worse did they get and where on the bumpsteer curve? The bump steer curve doesn't alter when lowered. Just the zero start point changes so the end point jounce and rebound points all shift up. But things can get worse near the new endpoints. There are forged dropped spindles on the market now. Came about a year or so ago.

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: autoxcuda] #979469 04/24/11 06:41 PM 04/24/11 06:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT DoctorDiff master
DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	As far as I know, forged Mopar drop-knuckles do not exist. Magnum Force drop-kuckles are cast. Contact info

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: DoctorDiff] #979470 04/24/11 06:51 PM 04/24/11 06:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: As far as I know, forged Mopar drop-knuckles do not exist. Magnum Force drop-kuckles are cast. Looked back the ad for them you're right, cast. Isn't that pretty common with the aftermarket dropped spindles?

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: SSDAcuda] #979471 04/24/11 06:56 PM 04/24/11 06:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: The Bump steer goes to he!! when lowered. Also, don't know about now, but when I sent my factory spindles out to lamb, there were no forged drop spindles. I think all the dropped spindles were two piece. This was about a year ago, so might've changed, but lamb wouldn't use anything but forged factory spindles. The car sits low enough with the factory spindles and lowered torsion bars, but bump steer was addressed in the build... By your avatar I'm guessing you have an E-body (B-body same geometry). Hotchkis found that those front ends have a lot of bumpsteer. That's why they relocated the upper control arm pickup point. They said it was not nearly as bad on an A-bodies.

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: autoxcuda] #979472 04/24/11 07:12 PM 04/24/11 07:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ SSDAcuda super stock
SSDAcuda super stock Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ	Yeah, E body and yes, gets pretty ugly at the ends. The starting point when lowered and at full extension. The starting point in a drag car is minimal as the car should raise an inch from static on a pass, and you can limit the extension with limiters for launch, so manageable. SS/DA 1924

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Triple Threat] #979473 04/24/11 07:19 PM 04/24/11 07:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,032 Tulsa OK Bad340fish master
Bad340fish master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,032 Tulsa OK	Quote: I'm dealing with this at the moment as well. Lower it down and camber goes to poop. Raise it up and the car wont transfer weight. Looking at everything from Tubular UCA's, Ajustable Heim Joint strut rods and everything else. Not sure which direction to go. I have RMS tube uppers and strut rods on my car. Its set up with 4 degrees of postive caster and zero camber IIRC. Drives like a dream on the street and track. 68 Barracuda Formula S 340

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Al_Alguire] #979474 04/24/11 08:05 PM 04/24/11 08:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,379 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,379 Las Vegas	These are from PST Here is the fatman dropped spindle. These are not cast. Had a customer who had them on his race car. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: autoxcuda] #979475 04/24/11 08:13 PM 04/24/11 08:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA Leon441 master
Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	Quote: Quote: If the spindle is a 2" drop as stated it is surely the way to go. Lowering with the torsion bar screws the geometry up. How does it screw the geometry up? It changes the alignment. So you re-align the car and move on. Let me see if I can explain why I don't do what you are suggesting. Determine a center point between the front and rear control arm bushings sense they are not at the same height. At ride height this point should be the same height from the ground as the center line of the upper ball joint, making the upper control arm as level as possible. That makes the upper ball joint at it's furthest position from the framerail. When you alter this, by lowering the car, the arm is pointed up from the center of the car. OK a drag car when it leaves picks the front end up extending the suspension. All that alignment you just done just went to the pasture as your camber just went negative. You can go one inch low at ride height and line the car up 1" extended as you would expect while going down the track. Another thing to always keep in mind is the upper control arm is much shorter than the bottom. You would have to get way out there to make a huge difference on the bottom arm. A couple inches too high or too low in ride height...You line the car up and as soon as it moves you have a car out of alignment. The goal is to have a car in alignment at rest and going down the track. I have yet to see a stock suspension on a RWD mopar do that when the upper control arm is pointed in the weeds or up in the sky. I am not a front suspension mastermind by far. I have just seen many problems on these cars. They all go back to this particular detail. Leon Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: Leon441] #979476 04/24/11 09:29 PM 04/24/11 09:29 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	after i put drop spindles on my car, i had to put heavier torsion bars to hold the car up and it really lost alot of its spring in the front and didnt hook quite as good as always had Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Dropped Spindles [Re: autoxcuda] #979477 04/24/11 10:37 PM 04/24/11 10:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Quote: Quote: As far as I know, forged Mopar drop-knuckles do not exist. Magnum Force drop-kuckles are cast. Looked back the ad for them you're right, cast. Isn't that pretty common with the aftermarket dropped spindles? the PST & Magnum Force ones are the same. they're cast but very strong- see recent test in MA magazine. If I had the choice I'd be going with the PST/MF as they're one piece for safety reasons. I have the fatmans' & the quality is 7/10. -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

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