How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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I decided to write up a how-to for lowering the front of a 1972-1993 Dodge half ton pickup. I found tons of misinformation on the internet concerning this topic and decided to put all the correct information in one place. It wasn't until last year that I found out about the van lower control arms. The intention of this is to provide information that I found hard to find. If I made a mistake, please let me know, so I can get it corrected. Nobody makes much in the way of aftermarket parts for 1972-1993 Dodge trucks. Parts for lowering your Dodge pickup are not offered by the major aftermarket companies like Belltech or Eibach. There is one small manufacturer that makes some very expensive lower control arms, but I've had no luck getting in contact with them. What can you do if you want to lower your pickup? You can go the cheap route by cutting your coil springs. This may cause your spring rates to change or cause camber problems. You could go the expensive route by modifying a pair of lowering spindles made for a 1st generation Dakota. I've heard this works, but there are a few issues with this and it takes a lot of trouble to get them to work. There is another option that is very simple, engineered by the factory, and is cost effective. Go to the junkyard and find a 1972-1993 Dodge B-series van and unbolt the lower control arms. Just swapping the van's lower control arms onto your 1972-1993 Dodge half ton truck lowers it roughly 3" due to the fact that the van lower control arms have a spring pocket that allows the coil springs to sit lower than they do in the truck's stock lower control arms. No shock or spring change is needed. It doesn't matter if it is a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or 1 ton van. The van lower control arms are the same. I purchased a pair from a mid 80's B350 for $40 plus tax at my local Pull-A-Part. I had trouble separating the steering knuckle from the lower control arm at the ball joint. In fact, I gave up and left the junkyard. I asked around and found out that the steering knuckle is a two-piece design. There are two 15/16 bolts/nuts that you will have to unbolt in order to separate the top piece from the bottom piece. You will have to take the brake caliper and rotor off to gain access to the bolts. Remove those steering knuckle bolts, take out the shock absorber, unbolt the control arm pivot bolt, remove the strut rod from the lower control arms, and separate the steering tie rod from the lower steering knuckle piece and you're done. The only parts you will need are the lower control arms and the control arm pivot bolts/nuts. Once you get the lower control arms home, take a large hammer and remove the lower steering knuckle piece from the ball joint and then knock the ball joint out. You cannot reuse the ball joints from the one ton van because they are larger in diameter than the ones on your truck. I do not know if the 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton ball joints are the same or not. New ball joints are $30 at NAPA, so you might as well replace them anyway. There are a couple modifications you will need to make to the lower control arms and your truck. First, completely remove the steering stops. They are not needed and the arms will look cleaner without them. Next, you will need to drill two 1/2" holes in each arm for the strut rods. I pulled a stringline from the center of the ball joint to the center of the pivot bushing and found the holes in the truck arms are equal distance from the centerline of the arm. Measure the distance from the ball joint to the strut rod holes on the truck arms. Now, you can transfer this information onto the van arms, mark your holes, and drill. There is one modification you will need to make to the lower control arm pivot holes on your truck's frame. The truck's factory lower control arm bolts are 5/8" in diameter. The van's are 3/4" in diameter. You will need to drill these holes larger for the van's bolts to fit the truck. I was thinking that maybe I would be able to slide the sleeve from the truck arms into the sleeve on the van arms so I wouldn't have to drill the pivot holes. The truck sleeve is too large in diameter to fit inside the van's sleeve,so that will not work. From this point, you may be able to just bolt the van arms on your truck. I had a little problem with mine. I tried to install my driver's side arm and the holes wouldn't begin to line up. I found that the metal around the pivot bushing on the arm was up against the pivot bracket on the truck. Before you paint your lower control arms, you may want to grind a little off the arms around the pivot bushing. When I put the wheels back on and dropped the truck onto the ground, I measured 1/2" between the bottom of the fender and top of the tire. Before the drop, I measured 3.5". I'm very pleased with that. To my surprise, the camber wasn't off too bad, however, the wheels were pointed in different directions. I also had to cut the bump stop brackets off because they were hitting the lower control arms. Another thing, any time you perform work like this to your vehicle, a front end alignment is necessary. The steering knuckle is a two piece design on the truck and van. You will need a 15/16" socket for these. Van arms with van lower steering knuckle Van arms with steering bump stops and ball joint removed Side by side comparison of the truck arm and van arm. Blue arrows point to the strut rod bolt holes that you need to drill. Truck pivot bolt (5/8") on top and van pivot bolt (3/4") on bottom Drilling the truck's pivot bolt bracket from 5/8" to 3/4" Grind in the unpainted area shown by the arrows. The holes in the lower control arms would not line up with the ones on the truck's pivot bracket due to this area touching the pivot bracket. Finished product Before After
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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They are diff otherwise they wouldnt list 2 diff part #s. You must have got the 3600lb axle setup. They have a 3800-4000lb balljoint that Im sure is a bigger diameter. But great info otherwise. 76 B300 RAYBESTOS Part # 5051013B Service Grade Front ; Lower; 3600 Lb Front Axle; Vehicles With 4" Inner Tie Rod Ends; Press In Type With Wear Indicator $12.87 Add to Cart RAYBESTOS Part # 5051008B Service Grade Front ; Lower; Vehicles With 14" Inner Tie Rod Ends; 3800 Lb Front Axle $13.44 94 B350 RAYBESTOS Part # 5051013B Service Grade Front ; Lower; 3600 Lb Front Axle; Press In Type With Wear Indicator $12.87 Add to Cart RAYBESTOS Part # 5051008B Service Grade Front ; Lower; 4000 Lb Axle $13.44 Also on the dakota Spindles its Dropped spindels that you use and its not that big of a deal to use them. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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They are diff otherwise they wouldnt list 2 diff part #s. You must have got the 3600lb axle setup. They have a 3800-4000lb balljoint that Im sure is a bigger diameter. But great info otherwise.
I guess I am misunderstanding you. I know that the 1 ton van ball joints are bigger than the ones on my D150. Are you saying the 3/4 ton and 1/2 ton van ball joints are the same as the truck ball joints?
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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Also on the dakota Spindles its Dropped spindels that you use and its not that big of a deal to use them. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
If someone wrote a how-to similar to mine, it might clear a few things up on the Dakota drop spindles. I've read conflicting information on other forums about the swap. Even in that thread, you have to sift through several posts to find the answer. I thought at one time that I was going to do the Dakota dropped spindles, but confusion kept me from dropping the cash on them.
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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They are diff otherwise they wouldnt list 2 diff part #s. You must have got the 3600lb axle setup. They have a 3800-4000lb balljoint that Im sure is a bigger diameter. But great info otherwise.
I guess I am misunderstanding you. I know that the 1 ton van ball joints are bigger than the ones on my D150. Are you saying the 3/4 ton and 1/2 ton van ball joints are the same as the truck ball joints?
I stated that 1tons balljoints are Diff and you said no. Now you went back on it and yes 1/2-3/4 ton 3600lb balljoints are the same for truck and van and also several cars back to the 50s. The only issue with the Dakota Drop spindles is figuring out what tire rods and sleeve is needed. Whats so hard about that? I believe Rumblebee states exactly what he needed to do. Also he was working on his truck as he was posting the info.
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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They are diff otherwise they wouldnt list 2 diff part #s. You must have got the 3600lb axle setup. They have a 3800-4000lb balljoint that Im sure is a bigger diameter. But great info otherwise.
I guess I am misunderstanding you. I know that the 1 ton van ball joints are bigger than the ones on my D150. Are you saying the 3/4 ton and 1/2 ton van ball joints are the same as the truck ball joints?
I stated that 1tons balljoints are Diff and you said no. Now you went back on it and yes 1/2-3/4 ton 3600lb balljoints are the same for truck and van and also several cars back to the 50s. The only issue with the Dakota Drop spindles is figuring out what tire rods and sleeve is needed. Whats so hard about that? I believe Rumblebee states exactly what he needed to do. Also he was working on his truck as he was posting the info.
When did I go back on anything? I stated in the write-up that the van ball joint (mine came from a B350-1 ton) was bigger than the ones on my D150. I know that to be a fact. You came in with your comment and I asked you if the 1 ton van ball joints are different than the 1/2 ton and 3/4 van ball joints. I never said "yes" (or no for that matter) about the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton ball joints being the same as or different than the 1 ton ball joints because I don't know if they are or not. I assumed they were all the same since I have been told so before. If they aren't, then I will make a note of that in the write-up. I did't "go back" on anything. There's really no reason to get hot under the collar about it and start accusing me of stuff.
As for the Dakota drop spindles, I have read conflicting information on various message forums. I haven't read through the guy's thread because I haven't had the time, but usually, several pages in a thread means a lot of sifting through the posts to get the information. Nothing is hard about changing a tie rod sleeve or reaming out a hole in the spindle. The hard part is determining which information is correct. Either way, it seems like a lot of trouble to go through when the van lower control arms are so easy.
As I stated in the opening paragraph of my write-up, the intention of it was to put all the correct information in one place. I did not intend to stir up trouble, step on anybody's toes, or get into a pissing match. If I have written something that is incorrect, please let me know. Here is what I said in the first paragraph of the write-up: "If I made a mistake, please let me know, so I can get it corrected." Just don't be rude about it if you are going to make a correction.
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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They are diff otherwise they wouldnt list 2 diff part #s. You must have got the 3600lb axle setup. They have a 3800-4000lb balljoint that Im sure is a bigger diameter. But great info otherwise.
I guess I am misunderstanding you. I know that the 1 ton van ball joints are bigger than the ones on my D150. Are you saying the 3/4 ton and 1/2 ton van ball joints are the same as the truck ball joints?
I stated that 1tons balljoints are Diff and you said no. Now you went back on it and yes 1/2-3/4 ton 3600lb balljoints are the same for truck and van and also several cars back to the 50s. The only issue with the Dakota Drop spindles is figuring out what tire rods and sleeve is needed. Whats so hard about that? I believe Rumblebee states exactly what he needed to do. Also he was working on his truck as he was posting the info.
thats moparts for ya, post a usefull well written guide that answers a popular question around here andyou get flamed for it
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I really did mine the cheap way although its only the rear. My 92 D150 always sat high in the rear, I had add a leafs and air shocks because I used to tow with it. I no longer use it for towing so I took out the add a leafs and the air shocks, put in the B body Ranchos I had in my Dart with the S/S springs and just bought a set of long shackles and it lowered it about 2-3 inches, I also clamped all the leafs in the front section and installed a set of $20 swap meet traction bars which helped with traction as I race it occasionaly.
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I did the Dakota spindle swap on my Ramcharger and its not that big of a deal. I got cut coils on the truck control arms but want to swap for the van ones. Thanks for the info!
Dave, if you lower that thing another 3 inches with the van LCAs, you are going to have to put rubbing blocks on the bottom!!!
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I did the Dakota spindle swap on my Ramcharger and its not that big of a deal. I got cut coils on the truck control arms but want to swap for the van ones. Thanks for the info!
Dave, if you lower that thing another 3 inches with the van LCAs, you are going to have to put rubbing blocks on the bottom!!!
To do the van control arms I would have to put stock height springs back in it, therefore it would sit about the same height. Its either that, or airbag it.......
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NICE JOB KEVIN! You did an AWESOME job writing all of this and explaining it with pics. A lot of us appreciate it very much, you have made it real simple. PS. I would like to see more pics of your truck, its darn near a twin to mine. Mark
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NICE JOB KEVIN!
You did an AWESOME job writing all of this and explaining it with pics.
A lot of us appreciate it very much, you have made it real simple.
PS. I would like to see more pics of your truck, its darn near a twin to mine.
Mark
Thanks. How 'bout some pictures of your's? I will dig up a few pictures of the truck when I get home. Here is one to tide you over until then.
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Nice info and good looking ride Kevin. My 73 was a learn as I go process with the help of Rumblebee, and a couple of other guys. I know now what I've done wrong, and as soon as I get back from MATS, I'm going to go through the front end... again! I've got mine sitting on 20x8s all the way around, and for all intent and purpose it LOOKS good. Even in the rust finish, unfinished state that it's in. But, I know the Van LCA's offer a somewhat smoother ride than my cut springs! But, as I said, learn as I go, and my dad, God Bless him, for setting himself on fire with the cutting wheels, cussing the rivets in the back, and then helping me replace the rearend after a minor mishap... We've found out though, that either we need taller jacks... or slimmer waistlines! Seeing yours makes me wanna get out there and shake the winter blahs, thanks Kevin!
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I'm another one that used the dropped Dakota spindles on my 74 D100. I did it in one day in my driveway. Simple swap with no problems afterward. Even used stock D100 springs and still got 2.5" drop.
I guess it isn't as hard as I thought. I remember a thread on another forum a few years ago before it was all sorted out and there were a few issues the guy was trying to figure out.
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One thing I have found though is that a lot of the 70s Vans had standard non-pocketed control arms. 80s though the majority I have seen are pocketed however. The standard ones do have both sets of strut rod holes drilled.
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How 'bout some pictures of your's?
When I said "twin", I meant that mine is the ugly one! I will get a couple pics tomorrow. I'm in the process of getting all my parts together to do a quick lowering job. I already bought the drop spindles and was going to use the van LCA's with, but that might get me too low.
Is there such a thing as too low?
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One thing I have found though is that a lot of the 70s Vans had standard non-pocketed control arms. 80s though the majority I have seen are pocketed however. The standard ones do have both sets of strut rod holes drilled.
What I have learned over the years was that 5 lugs or 8. As long as the lug stud diameter was 1/2" the ball joint is the same on the van. Big stud 3300# & larger requires drilling the spindle to bolt it correctly to the steering arm. As soon as I sit my RC on the ground again I'll post a pic of it & my lowered CrewCab. Kevin,I think your post is cool especially being this subject comes up very often.
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Kevin,I think your post is cool especially being this subject comes up very often.
Thanks.
I am going to try to lower the rear tomorrow. Would it be a waste of time to do a similar write up for a rear axle flip?
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There's 2 ways to do the axle flip! Bob
How do you figure?
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right off there is the flip flop with shackle flip with front hanger then flop the axle on top of the springs then the long chebby shackles to keep the axle under the spring but not a true axle flip then the front hangers upside down with a shackle flip on the rear with an axle flop then just floping an axle on top of the spring with shackle and hangers in stock location get it were you want it then weld in ladder bars in line with the frame for the same ride hieght then remove springs and hangers from the outside of frame rails or what goose did with his hangers and axle flip adding blocks yea I say there are a couple ways to get-r-done
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Would it be a waste of time to do a similar write up for a rear axle flip?
It's never a waste of time! There is always someone who has never done it, and needs a little guidence. Go for it Kevin!
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Would it be a waste of time to do a similar write up for a rear axle flip?
It's never a waste of time! There is always someone who has never done it, and needs a little guidence. Go for it Kevin!
it would be good info for someone wanting to know how to lower them and how to adj pinion angle after its done
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pinion angle yea,now thats a write up I need with mine sitting on the ground with the mono leafs with the ssm bars pre-loaded it looks like my pinion is pointing up to much IMO but I guess it will need to be sorted out then adjusted it sure lifts the back up when you launch it though where do you get the shims for pinion adjustments?
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the way i do the rear is, with the trucks frame (about 2-3 inches in front of front spring hanger) sitting on jack stands, i put the axle on the new spring perches,mount the new u-bolts,measure everything,2-3-4 times, place a floor jack under the center of the axle,lightly tighten the nuts on the u-bolts, and jack up the rear of the truck to place the weight of the truck on the axle/springs. now i place a magnetic angle finder on the yolk. set my pinion angle (tapping the nose of the diff with a hammer-up or down as needed). when i have it where i want it,i tighten down the u-bolt nuts, then reach in with mig gun and weld the new spring perches on each side. take her off the stands and shes done.
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I have also used a flip bracket for a chebbie & got a good angle that way.
This may sound like a stupid question....... where do you use a flip bracket and where do you get them
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Just did the van LCA swap today. This thread was spot on for me! Helped me git it done!
Nicely done. I am happy it helped someone.
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Got a pic of one?
I sure don't but the chebbie flip kit Ive used fit a 73-87 1/2 ton. It's a U-shape that fits under the axle & sits on top of the spring like the perch does. It fits into the stock perch from the bottom side.
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup
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I sure don't but the chebbie flip kit Ive used fit a 73-87 1/2 ton. It's a U-shape that fits under the axle & sits on top of the spring like the perch does. It fits into the stock perch from the bottom side.
Oh I see......wont need that I have a disc rear end from a 74 imperial...perch is all ready under the axle as oppose to the top like the truck. Thanks
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I sure don't but the chebbie flip kit Ive used fit a 73-87 1/2 ton. It's a U-shape that fits under the axle & sits on top of the spring like the perch does. It fits into the stock perch from the bottom side.
Oh I see......wont need that I have a disc rear end from a 74 imperial...perch is all ready under the axle as oppose to the top like the truck. Thanks
your gonna put the Imperial rear axle in a truck?
thats 1 way to get disc brakes
IIRC the c-body axles are same width as a stock truck axle
the perches have to be moved so a new set is needed
the A-body and truck share the same 43" spring centers for a narrowed axle,my 68 A-body 8 3/4 bolted right in for 12s and fattys
.... a narrowed to A-body specs disc brake imperieal 8 3/4,i could gain disc brakes and keep the fattys...very interesting
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Awesome job! Questions: how many inches drop to the axle flip yield? Are those shock mount plates the original ones from the truck or did you have to use different ones? Are using drop shackels in addition to this or doing just the axle flop?
The axle flip dropped my truck right at 6" in the rear. The shock plates are the original ones to the truck. They were clamped to the bottom of the axle. They clamped to the leaf springs just fine despite the fact they are made to clamp to an axle. I just moved the axle on top of the leafs. I didn't use any other method of lowering.
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Just looking at your springs . Do you have 5 leafs & a helper spring on the bottom , or is there 2 helper springs there . I also would like to lower mine after it comes back from the body shop . My front is down , just need to do the back .
There are 5 leafs on each side.
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Are you planning to weld the perches to the axle?
Yes. I welded one side yesterday before I ran out of time. I'll try to do the other today.
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Are you planning to weld the perches to the axle? Im glad to here the shock plates can still be used instead of hitting the jy fo car ones but I still might
You can use the stock plates, but will begin to squeak over time because the plate isn't located to te center pin on te spring. I did this same thing on the first one that I lowered over 20 or more years ago. I drag raced mine & made the axle slide forward on the springs because it was only located on one side of the pin.
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You can use the stock plates, but will begin to squeak over time because the plate isn't located to te center pin on te spring. I did this same thing on the first one that I lowered over 20 or more years ago. I drag raced mine & made the axle slide forward on the springs because it was only located on one side of the pin.
I wouldn't think the axle would move at all with it all being clamped together with the U-bolts and the spring perches being located by the center pins. I guess I'll weld a centering plate to the spring side of the shock plates.
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You can use the stock plates, but will begin to squeak over time because the plate isn't located to te center pin on te spring. I did this same thing on the first one that I lowered over 20 or more years ago. I drag raced mine & made the axle slide forward on the springs because it was only located on one side of the pin.
The squeaking already started and I haven't put any miles to speak of on the truck yet. I welded this one up today. I used that factory centering piece that was on top of the leaf springs. I cut the tab off and ground down the edges so it would fit flush.
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That should all be done when at the shop getting aligned. That's what you pay them to do.
Well, I guess I'll do what I can here so I won't eat my tires up driving the truck to the alignment shop. Thanks guys.
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Oh I see......wont need that I have a disc rear end from a 74 imperial... why did you pick a rearend that has a brake system that has obsolete parts???
I am truckless..
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I am using the stock 75 truck spindle and knuckles,my rear axle flip dropped 6 inches ,the front should drop about 3. i am running 29" tall tires in the rear and probably 25 front.Not looking for a low rider look more of a drag look.
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Great thread!
I don't get to the truck forum too much but this reminded me of another lowered truck. I searched for it and found that he had a thread on lowering his truck. I read thru 9 pages to find that he lost interest. It really didn't surprise me after he mentioned the number of cars/trucks that had passed thru his hands within a short period of time. I was hoping to see the final product, though. I was impressed with his abilities.
This thread is more realistic for the hobby guy.
Do they use the van lca's with the dak drop spindles?
I just used the Van LCA's on my truck..
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This is the way it looks with the flipped rear and van lower control arms. I plan on bigger rear rims and tires, sorry about the looks ,had to get it ready to race. Went to Infinion yesterday,ran a couple of 13.50s with tire spin , On the third pass i tore the ring gear out of it,so i will be doing some rear work this week.
I like it!!!!! When you say flipped rear? You mean putting the rear end on top of the leafs? Or flipping the front hangers upside down to lower it? I already have some van control arms to go on my stepside. Another Question??? What coil springs are you guys running up with a 440 in the truck????
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I used a b body rear,it has the same spring pad width as the truck and quite a bit narrower.Took a set of front spring hangers and installed them in the back.I reused the stock springs in the front but i have a 360,steering feels good .Here is a picture when i was mocking the rear.
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Any bump steer issues with this? That would be the only downside I could see for what appears to be a low $$ idea that actually works.
Kevin
I used the van lca and cut about 1/2 coil off I have a little bump steer nothing too bad but the angles on the tie rods are definetly not ideal..... my that being said I drive my truck everyday and have had no problems ball joint and tie rod wise... but I'm not completly done yet I want to cut the bump stop bracket down and re-weld it back up. I want to mount my strut rods on the bottom of the control arms by making a hole through the lower control arms(others have made a block and mounted it below). I also still want to notch the drivers side upper c.arm for the steering shaft. if I hit a big dip going to fast theres contact(not ideal). again this is only things I have noticed and my
I did exactly the same....Van LCA with the mods above, a set of new springs, half coil cutted and ended up with this problems....when the truck is on the ground the Tie Rod adjusting sleeve is hitting the Ball Joint from the Drag Link (Driver Side). Beside that I was missing a steering stop and the wheel was tilting and leaning toward the Strut bushing.....when I tried to drive outside the garage and was steering...
All problems could be cured with Rack & Pinion Steering by Dakota....but my plan for tomorrow is using the old springs with OEM length to gain at least one inch space between Ball Joint and adjusting sleeve and adding a steering stop....late maybe mounting the Strud Rod on bottom of the LCA...
Any other Thoughts????
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PS: I did change also the Drag Link.....maybe i did a mistake...... has anybody pictures to see how it should be mounted? The Nuts of the Inner Tie Rods are now pointing to the K-Member. Is this right or should they point in direction to the front? In another thread (Dakota spindles) they pointed to the front see here: And which way the outer tie rods are mounted? Like on the photo on bottom of the spindle or on Top?
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PS: I did change also the Drag Link.....maybe i did a mistake......
has anybody pictures to see how it should be mounted? The Nuts of the Inner Tie Rods are now pointing to the K-Member. Is this right or should they point in direction to the front?
In another thread (Dakota spindles) they pointed to the front see here:
And which way the outer tie rods are mounted? Like on the photo on bottom of the spindle or on Top?
This picture is exactly how mine looks, because I also used Dak spindles with van lca's. On the Dak spindle, the outer tie rod does point up, that's how their tapered. And the inner tie rod points forward not backwards. I do get a little bump steer also...but nothing hits....I have yet to take it on the freeway.
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... Does anyone have a better pic of what the correct steering arms look like? ...
Surely somewhere in the 6 pages of this thread there's a pic of my dropped spindles next to dropped Dak spindles and stock spindles. I'm pretty sure they all had arms on them in the pic.
Pretty sure that's in Rumblebees write up object them being installed on his 73
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I was looking at my '86 Ramcharger after I saw your pictures and my tie-rods are mounted above the steering arm like yours are. If you were to mount the tie rod from below you would have to use a tapered reamer to ream the steering arm to accept the tie rod. And that would probably make it too loose a fit to work. Perhaps you could adapt a tie rod with a larger diameter stud to do that. Did you cut the coil spring along with the LCA swap to create your problem? You may find that you will have to buy new springs to get it closer to stock and forgo the extreme drop. Thinking further outside the box, you could adapt a rack & pinion steering to the truck, solve one problem and create more headaches to deal with. Sorry I can't help more.
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Hi there,
sorry for stirring this up again, but i have a question that is right at home in this thread:
I wonder whether steering arms of trucks or vans bolt up to a B-body or FMJ-body "tall" spindle.
According to Rockauto, a 74-76 Monaco (for example) shares the upper and lower ball joints with a D150 (K7025 lower, K778 upper). They also share the wheel bearings.
Magnum Force makes nice drop spindles for the B,F,M,J cars and it would be nice to be able to use that stuff with stock truck steering arms.
Thanks, Alex I don't think the Monaco is a b body I think it's a c body
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I don't think the Monaco is a b body I think it's a c body '75-'78 ROYAL Monaco and GRAN Fury were C-bodies. Without the 'Royal' or 'Gran', they were indeed B-bodies. ROYAL Monaco = MONACO = As for the original question, I have no idea......
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Hi there,
sorry for stirring this up again, but i have a question that is right at home in this thread:
I wonder whether steering arms of trucks or vans bolt up to a B-body or FMJ-body "tall" spindle.
According to Rockauto, a 74-76 Monaco (for example) shares the upper and lower ball joints with a D150 (K7025 lower, K778 upper). They also share the wheel bearings.
Magnum Force makes nice drop spindles for the B,F,M,J cars and it would be nice to be able to use that stuff with stock truck steering arms.
Thanks, Alex I don't think the Monaco is a b body I think it's a c body I almost knew i had made a mistake at some point... anybody know of c-body drop spindles?
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Another question would be are there any differences between the stock B,C and truck spindles? Yes, There is a big difference. Only certain "C" body cars use the same rotor and bearings but the ball joints are different, like a 73 Fury, "B" body cars use a completely different ball joints, spindles, wheel bearings and rotor. Plus the steering arm from the truck will not bolt to the "B" spindle. That's a few things I found out.
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I'm a newbie here and I realize this is an old thread, but part, if not all your tie rod clearance problems are because the center-link needs to be swapped end for end.
Also check the taper in the steering arms to be sure you don't need to turn the rod ends over and insert from the bottom instead of the top.
If they are installed wrong it can result in sloppy steering, possible bumpsteer and even rod end failure.
BTW, I'm a retired forklift, automotive and small engine mechanic.
Not to mention an active MOPAR nut.
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Did anyone figure out the solution with the tie rods being mounted on the bottom so the tie rod angle is not so sharp.?
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For the guys that did the Dakota drop spindles, Did you use the parts off the Dakota , bearings, rotors, calipers, caliper brackets ect. I scored some billtech 2600 first gen dakota drop spindles and wonder if I need to go to the junkyard for those parts
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I used original inner tierods custom sleeves and heim joints for the outer. Did that fix the bump steer? Did you have any bump steer?
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Another great and useful thread ruined thanks to Photobucket's greed.
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I'm glad I never used photobucket. it does sux for those who do searches for some great tech info only to be screwed by lack of photos.
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Has anyone tried these Drop Spindles from X2industries? wondering about quality? 1978-1993 Dodge Ram, Charger, Trailduster 2" Drop Spindles [DG7893DRM2] Your Price: $373.95 www.x2industries.com1-800-823-0320 instructions: -NEED TO USE 84 ROTORS(PART #5315) TO MAINTAIN 5450 BOLT PATTERN -FLIP TIE RODS -REQUIRES LARGER INNER BEARING ON 83 AND DOWN CODE11 -REVERSE TAP OF Ball Joint FOR MORE CLEARANCE
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I have been thinking of dropping my 92 D150 with an axle flip and X2 drop spindles. I bracket race my truck and hear that you develop wheel hop when accelerating hard after lowering is that true? I have traction bars will that solve the wheel hop after lowering?
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Has anyone tried these Drop Spindles from X2industries? wondering about quality? 1978-1993 Dodge Ram, Charger, Trailduster 2" Drop Spindles [DG7893DRM2] Your Price: $373.95 www.x2industries.com1-800-823-0320 They are selling you Dakota dropped spindles and likely ripping off info myself and others discovered many years ago. Heck, I talked to the engineers at Bell Tech back in the late '80s/ early '90s about using their dropped Dakota spindles on my '81 Ram. Here's the short of it... -Rams and Dakotas have bolt-on steering arms. -The Ram arm is longer than the Dakota arm. -Dropped Dakota spindles have the steering arm cast into the assembly. -The cast-in arm is shorter than the stock Dakota arm to clear the wheels (and I believe 16" wheels were required...which were large in 1990!). In short, the dropped Dakota spindles have steering arms that are 2 steps shorter than a stock Ram. They can be made to work but expect some interesting steering response. ***This has likely all been covered somewhere in this and/or other threads. In the late '90s/early '00s I had made a chart on several ways to drop a D series Ram. Don't ask for a copy as I have no idea where to find one but it's floating around on the Interwebs somewhere. I rarely have a chance to poke my head into these threads anymore and I doubt my truck has seen 200 miles in the last 5 years. Sorry.
Cheeto It's not perfect. It's not correct. It's not yours!
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