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Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: cagebob1] #954182
03/22/11 11:31 AM
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That's the type of feedback I was looking for. I've always been a N/A big block guy, but I think it's time to embrace the new technology




I boosted a very mild 440 w/ an old SN-2000 Paxton and dropped my et by a full second and picked up 10mph on only 6psi of boost. It had zero effects on drivabilty (is that a word) and probably would have done better w/ less gear (3.73 vs. the 3.91's) If the motor in this goes south it will get 8.8:1 pistons and 8-10lbs of boost. It was like having a 100-150 shoot ALL the time.

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #954183
03/22/11 06:21 PM
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if your doing a Rx7 why not put an LS based motor in it? its been done and a proven combo. Not to say the gen III isnt good but if your starting from square 1 go with the LS, people making that HP easy on stock blocks and some cranks. FWIW I have a 70 duster tube chassis car and my new motor is a 582 BBC dart block BMF heads I am at 10K OTD dynoed. I priced out the mopar stuff B1 heads are like 7k a short block is 7k just adds up and wont be as much HP for the dollar. All that said a gen II hemi would be the most eye catching.
ohh and what year is the RX7? If its 93+ check out hinson cars they make all the stuff to put the LS in without tube chassis


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Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: cagebob1] #954184
03/22/11 07:51 PM
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The chassis for this project is to be a light weight tube chassis (Dave Morgan would call it a ballerina)...RX7.



rx7 i vote genIII! that would be KILLA!


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Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: maximum entropy] #954185
03/22/11 08:02 PM
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Sorry nothing personal, but I'd rather continue to race my 12 second cuda than use chevy power. I'm a mopar guy all the way. This car will have a torqueflite trans and a dana 60 rear end. It has to be a tube chassis to be as light as I'm shooting for. If you look at the overall shape of this car, it's very close to a daytona.

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: cagebob1] #954186
03/22/11 08:10 PM
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Have fun....should be interesting. Keep us informed.

LS1s are crazy these days. Them heads are wicked.

Im intrigued by the new style hemi for a project as well.

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: haddixj] #954187
03/22/11 09:16 PM
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if your doing a Rx7 why not put an LS based motor in it? its been done and a proven combo. Not to say the gen III isnt good but if your starting from square 1 go with the LS, people making that HP easy on stock blocks and some cranks. FWIW I have a 70 duster tube chassis car and my new motor is a 582 BBC dart block BMF heads I am at 10K OTD dynoed. I priced out the mopar stuff B1 heads are like 7k a short block is 7k just adds up and wont be as much HP for the dollar. All that said a gen II hemi would be the most eye catching.
ohh and what year is the RX7? If its 93+ check out hinson cars they make all the stuff to put the LS in without tube chassis




might as well hang a chevy II shell on it and call it a day.

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: cagebob1] #954188
03/23/11 07:44 AM
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Chryco - Isn't a Gen II Hemi really expensive?




not really any more expensive than a wedge once you start talking aftermarket blocks/cranks/heads...rocker gear is about the only thing more expensive at that point because you're buying 2x the components

for a light small car like the RX7, I think I'd be inclined to a genIII hemi...

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Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: haddixj] #954189
03/23/11 09:06 AM
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if your doing a Rx7 why not put an LS based motor in it? its been done and a proven combo. Not to say the gen III isnt good but if your starting from square 1 go with the LS, people making that HP easy on stock blocks and some cranks. FWIW I have a 70 duster tube chassis car and my new motor is a 582 BBC dart block BMF heads I am at 10K OTD dynoed. I priced out the mopar stuff B1 heads are like 7k a short block is 7k just adds up and wont be as much HP for the dollar. All that said a gen II hemi would be the most eye catching.
ohh and what year is the RX7? If its 93+ check out hinson cars they make all the stuff to put the LS in without tube chassis




THe power he is looking to make even the Ls guys don't run that much power through a stock block. Must from what i seen you the LQ truck block "cast iron" but then upgrade"the smart ones" to the LSX Block around the 600HP mark. I know the stock "ported" G3 Hemi heads were able to make 700HP from N/A and the new 6.4L heads are even better still however the block is another question as i am not sure how much they can handle but Mopar does have a ALum race block for the 3rd G hemi

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: 540challenger] #954190
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good luck with the build.


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Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: haddixj] #954191
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I vote for the GenIII initially, with anything but a Turbo later.

But I think there is a bigger problem that hasn't been mentioned.

A 95" wheelbase car with 900HP running 7.99 is SCARY - SCARY - SCARY!!!!

That's why virtually all of the Dodge Colt Pro Stockers Crashed.

If you really want to run 7.99's, I think you need at least 108".

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: Racer426] #954192
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I vote for the Gen III Hemi. While freshening up our Gen II Hemi in the 64 Lightweight we decided to weigh it. The old iron headed girl weighed in at 720 lbs. When we pulled the Gen III Hemi out of our 09 Challenger Drag Pak and weighed it. She came in at a whooping 460 lbs! And the all aluminum Gen III Hemi race blocks are reported to weigh 90 lbs lighter. 370 lbs for an engine that we can make almost as much or more hp/tq as the Gen II Hemi fat girl. If the old race Hemi ever decides to give up the ghost, a Gen III Hemi will take its place.

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Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: Racer426] #954193
04/04/11 12:44 AM
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I do have plans to stretch the wheelbase. I'm not sure if it needs to be 108" though. The 2011 NHRA rule book only requires ProStock cars to be 104" minimum, and we know how fast they run! Right now I'm leaning towards the GenIII Hemi. Is there a market for my never been fired 500" mopar crate engine?

Re: Big Block or Gen III Hemi? [Re: cagebob1] #954194
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And if today's pro stockers don't have perfect traction like Phoenix last year, they crash. They are running on the edge right now.

I've drag raced a short wheelbase car and they are not Fun.

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