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1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? #947798 03/10/11 05:25 PM 03/10/11 05:25 PM
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GMP440 OP top fuel G Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,653 Florida	What is the correct engine color for a 340 with automatic transmission and A/C in a 69' Dodge Dart GTS? Thank you. George

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GMP440] #947799 03/10/11 05:28 PM 03/10/11 05:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Turquoise

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #947800 03/10/11 05:34 PM 03/10/11 05:34 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,282 A gulag near you.	The 340 was painted the turquoise in 69 ?

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GMP440] #947801 03/10/11 05:45 PM 03/10/11 05:45 PM
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Beebuzzn mopar B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 458 PNW	Here is a low mile 1969 340 shortblock. Block is correct color, front area was repainted with wrong color. Cast 9/10/68 came from LM23P9B228112 6522792-IMG_3699.JPG (92 downloads)

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: Beebuzzn] #947802 03/10/11 06:22 PM 03/10/11 06:22 PM
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GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	This subject comes up about once a month... Almost all '69 340 GTS' (and 340 Barracudas)were painted turquoise, same as non HP big blocks. Only exceptions would be VERY early or VERY late production. My '69 340 GTS has a build date of 10/68, and the engine was/is turquoise. John RR, you forgot to put at the end of your post! Last edited by GO_Fish; 03/10/11 10:11 PM. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GO_Fish] #947803 03/10/11 07:21 PM 03/10/11 07:21 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,282 A gulag near you.	Quote: John RR, you forgot to put at the end of your post! No, I really was curious, I haven't owned a 69 340 car so I don't pay a lot of attention to their idiosyncrasies .

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: JohnRR] #947804 03/10/11 10:10 PM 03/10/11 10:10 PM
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GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	OK, my bad. I figured you had seen the previous discussions at some point given it comes up pretty often. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GO_Fish] #947805 03/10/11 10:32 PM 03/10/11 10:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,846 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,846 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	I am doing a 69 Barracuda notchback 340 with A/C right now and it was turquoise, as were ALL 69 340's... The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: Rhinodart] #947806 03/10/11 11:08 PM 03/10/11 11:08 PM
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68GTS383 pro stock 6 Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,244 Eastern,NC	My 69 340 S engine color is turquoise.

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: 68GTS383] #947807 03/10/11 11:42 PM 03/10/11 11:42 PM
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ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	i,ve never personally seen anything but turquoise..though i suppose its remotely possible that pilot/promo cars had different color engines..but its very unlikely .. dan

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: Beebuzzn] #947808 03/10/11 11:57 PM 03/10/11 11:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	1968 = Red 1969 = Turquoise 1970 = Orange 1971 = Orange until around April of 71 (exact changeover date is unknown) 1971 = Blue after April of 71 ANY year 340 that might have left the factory in a color conflicting with the respective colors/years listed above would be possible of course, but would also be considered an extreme exception and would require hard evidence as proof it was original that way before being accepted as such. 6523518-69DartSwinger340Enginebay.jpg (40 downloads)

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: JohnRR] #947809 03/11/11 12:33 AM 03/11/11 12:33 AM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	69 340 - Actually - it is Blue....Not the Turquoise that the 68 BB's had. 6523619-69-340-mill.jpg (89 downloads)

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #947810 03/11/11 12:35 AM 03/11/11 12:35 AM
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69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,343 MARYLAND	Quote: Turquoise ding ding ding we have a winner

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: 69Cuda340S] #947811 03/11/11 01:20 AM 03/11/11 01:20 AM
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ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: 69 340 - Actually - it is Blue....Not the Turquoise that the 68 BB's had. I haven't seen a blue 69 before Jim, what car is that engine in?

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #947812 03/11/11 09:44 AM 03/11/11 09:44 AM
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GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	Quote: 69 340 - Actually - it is Blue....Not the Turquoise that the 68 BB's had. Wrong. That would appear to be a rattle can paint job, not factory. If I'm not mistaken, the OEM PCV would not have paint on it (it was installed after the engine was painted at the factory). And I think the original valve cover gaskets were rubber with big tabs sticking out, not the cork gaskets shown. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GO_Fish] #947813 03/11/11 10:20 AM 03/11/11 10:20 AM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	Quote: Quote: 69 340 - Actually - it is Blue....Not the Turquoise that the 68 BB's had. Wrong. That would appear to be a rattle can paint job, not factory. If I'm not mistaken, the OEM PCV would not have paint on it (it was installed after the engine was painted at the factory). And I think the original valve cover gaskets were rubber with big tabs sticking out, not the cork gaskets shown. Wrong on all accounts. 69 340's were Blue The PCV's were always painted including the grommet. Gaskets were cork. All the paint in that pic is 100% untouched original - no rattle can there. I suggest you find some good untouched cars to do some more research before making totally incorrect comments. The lack of thorough research in this hobby is what causes all the incorrect restorations out there.

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GMP440] #947814 03/11/11 11:17 AM 03/11/11 11:17 AM
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JOES4FORTY pro stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,592 Mansfield, TEXAS	Here we go again! Turquoise on the 69 340. 6524054-340wAC.jpg (63 downloads) Last edited by JOES4FORTY; 03/11/11 11:23 AM. The GTS Registry! MOPARTS MEMBER IN PRINT 1969 Dart GTS LS23P9B (First day of production car money pit)

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #947815 03/11/11 11:32 AM 03/11/11 11:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: I suggest you find some good untouched cars to do some more research before making totally incorrect comments. The lack of thorough research in this hobby is what causes all the incorrect restorations out there. Jim, I respect your knowledge but I can assure you I have done my research. I was suprised to see your blue example which is why I asked what car it is in. The photo I posted is an original paint 1969 340 Dart, that is a turquoise engine (the same turquoise used in all other turquoise applications).

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #947816 03/11/11 11:59 AM 03/11/11 11:59 AM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	Hi Scott - The response was not to your post. I was actually going to reply to your pic.....that is definitely turquoise! I was replying to the PCV and other comments as well. Every (almost every now) original engine I have seen and have pics from appear to be more blue than turquoise....maybe there was a mix. I have checked with FB and others as well and their stuff is blue. Even the engines in the car tests from the old Road and Track show were blue. I know they weren't orange - as the 2 plants that were building 340's were not producing Hemi's or big blocks.....so no orange paint would be in their inventory.....until the 70 model year. Mopar Action has addressed it as well but have made mistakes about what plant(s) were producing 340's and saying that 383/440's (and 70 340's) were Street Hemi Orange - which they weren't. You know that the Street Hemi's had two oranges....66-early 69 and later 69 to 71. The other orange was different. I say if your engine was 100% turquoise - paint it that way (at least that exact color is being reproduced) and if it was blue - match the color and paint it blue. There are no doubts. stories or excuses on that pic I posted. Enough two-fingered typing for the day!

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #947817 03/11/11 03:19 PM 03/11/11 03:19 PM
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VS29H0B pro stock V Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,594 USA	Quote: Hi Scott - The response was not to your post. I was actually going to reply to your pic.....that is definitely turquoise! I was replying to the PCV and other comments as well. Every (almost every now) original engine I have seen and have pics from appear to be more blue than turquoise....maybe there was a mix. I have checked with FB and others as well and their stuff is blue. Even the engines in the car tests from the old Road and Track show were blue. I know they weren't orange - as the 2 plants that were building 340's were not producing Hemi's or big blocks.....so no orange paint would be in their inventory.....until the 70 model year. Mopar Action has addressed it as well but have made mistakes about what plant(s) were producing 340's and saying that 383/440's (and 70 340's) were Street Hemi Orange - which they weren't. You know that the Street Hemi's had two oranges....66-early 69 and later 69 to 71. The other orange was different. I say if your engine was 100% turquoise - paint it that way (at least that exact color is being reproduced) and if it was blue - match the color and paint it blue. There are no doubts. stories or excuses on that pic I posted. Enough two-fingered typing for the day! I had a completely factory original 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 built in the LA plant, and the 340 engine was turquiose from the factory (NEVER OUT OF THE CAR - NEVER re-PAINTED). Like the women I have dated --- Always looking for a better deal ....

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: VS29H0B] #947818 03/12/11 12:57 AM 03/12/11 12:57 AM
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69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,343 MARYLAND	Bought my car from the original owner in '79 and it was totaly untouched and it was turquiose.

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: 69Cuda340S] #947819 03/12/11 01:41 AM 03/12/11 01:41 AM
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Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,846 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	69 273's were blue, so it may be possible that ONE 340 accidentily got painted blue. I have documented 5 original owner Swingers and GTS' and all were turquoise. The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: FJ5_Fish] #947820 03/12/11 02:50 AM 03/12/11 02:50 AM
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GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	Quote: 69 340 - Actually - it is Blue....Not the Turquoise that the 68 BB's had. Do you have a partial VIN for this engine that would confirm very late production? Are you dismissing as false the Chrysler Canada memo that detailed that '69 340's were to be painted turquoise? My 69 340 is numbers matching, and still with its original bore. Never any machine work to the block, and it is still wearing its original turquoise. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GO_Fish] #947821 03/12/11 03:15 AM 03/12/11 03:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: 69 273's were blue Right, I was wondering if the blue engine valve cover pic posted above by Jim may even be a 273? Some more pics showing the entire engine, the car, and some numbers info might answer some questions.

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #947822 03/12/11 10:22 AM 03/12/11 10:22 AM
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gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,794 It's a dry heat	http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JUNE/JUNE.html

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: gtx6970] #947823 03/12/11 12:25 PM 03/12/11 12:25 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Thanks for the link Bill Quote: Every (almost every now) original engine I have seen and have pics from appear to be more blue than turquoise....maybe there was a mix. Jim, I can now see that your example definately leans towards blue as opposed to most turquoise examples that lean towards a more green shade, maybe a variable in the paint mixing process or possibly a mix as you suggested. As I mentioned in my first post, based on all of the turquoise examples I'm encountered I'd consider the shade on yours to be one of the exceptions that came through with a non "typical" color. Nice car BTW!

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #947824 03/12/11 01:30 PM 03/12/11 01:30 PM
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Dean_Kuzluzski master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,946 Holly/MI	My 69 340 GTS w/ac is/was, has always been, turquoise. R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: GMP440] #947825 03/14/11 12:07 PM 03/14/11 12:07 PM
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JOES4FORTY pro stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,592 Mansfield, TEXAS	I would love to see a photo of the x casting on the head on this blue 340 engine or maybe the casting date. Last edited by JOES4FORTY; 03/14/11 12:15 PM. The GTS Registry! MOPARTS MEMBER IN PRINT 1969 Dart GTS LS23P9B (First day of production car money pit)

Re: 1969 340 auto trans with A/C, correct engine color? [Re: JOES4FORTY] #947826 03/14/11 07:43 PM 03/14/11 07:43 PM
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GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	the mag article linked above says the car is 6/69 production date. I don't know how close (or very close) that is to the end of '69 production. It does have the plastic limiter caps on the carb, which earlier 69 340's did not. Is this car listed in the 69 GTS/ Swinger registry? Last edited by GO_Fish; 03/14/11 07:45 PM. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

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