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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945802
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i would agree with alot of others, fan is too close and use a 7 blade one, hope the you you got works, I heard he only wants $659.99, thats a deal


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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: deansrr] #945803
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another thing is proper coolant mixture.it should be 50/50.a high concentrate of coolant will cause high temp.i have used flex fans and shrouds since forever and never had a problem with 440's stock or not,auto or 4spd.a good rad and proper fan spacing is all that's needed.

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another thing is proper coolant mixture.it should be 50/50.a high concentrate of coolant will cause high temp.i have used flex fans and shrouds since forever and never had a problem with 440's stock or not,auto or 4spd.a good rad and proper fan spacing is all that's needed.




I use more of 75% distilled H20 and 25% antifreeze with a bottle of Redline water wetter as well.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: rhad] #945805
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What PSI radiator cap are you using? The higher the better according to Mopar Action. 16 is normal but E booger says 20 is fine if everything works well. It raises the boiling point of the coolant if I remember right.


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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: greenpigs] #945806
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What PSI radiator cap are you using? The higher the better according to Mopar Action. 16 is normal but E booger says 20 is fine if everything works well. It raises the boiling point of the coolant if I remember right.




Got one of those caps with the temp guage built right in it made by Mr. Gasket. I thinks it's a 16 or better.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945807
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ahhhh didn't know that (if no shroud) that the fan should not b kissing the rad that this can cause turbulence (Thanks Yancy) & reduce flow


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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: RapidRobert] #945808
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Ok got the clutch fan installed in place of the fixed fan. I did not have the correct factory bolts so i just used some hardware store bolts to attach the fan to the water pump housing.

Is that sufficant or does it require a hardened bolt??

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945809
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Grade 8 I'm pretty sure. Nope I just looked Grade 5 5/16-18 X .75" long.

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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: Challenger 1] #945810
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Grade 8 I'm pretty sure.




I made it to grade 12 myself but what does that have to do with the fan bolts??

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Is that sufficant


It's sufficant


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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: Challenger 1] #945812
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Grade 8 I'm pretty sure. Nope I just looked Grade 5 5/16-18 X .75" long.




I noticed mine needed 1.25 inch long bolts. The ones that came with it are .3/4 inch though. The P.O. had to put in some spacers to get the pullys to all line up for some reason that i don't understand.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: Challenger 1] #945813
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Well my old Mr. Murphy was with me today. I got the clutch fan installed and all looked good but on a trial run the fan blades hit the top of the radiator and cut into the upper tank.

I looked but there no way to move the fan back any further so if the radiator is not messed up bad enough to need replacing (too dark to tell now) i guess the only thing i can do is redrill the radiator mounting holes and raise it say 3/8's or so maybe??

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945814
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dang Stu! sorry to hear about your luck! how close was the fan to the radiator before you drove it?

if you're getting a lot of movement, how are your motor mounts/Trans mount? are they letting your engine move around to much when you put load on it from driving?


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dang Stu! sorry to hear about your luck! how close was the fan to the radiator before you drove it?

if you're getting a lot of movement, how are your motor mounts/Trans mount? are they letting your engine move around to much when you put load on it from driving?




You know i found i have to have the main fan pully shimmed out about 3/8" to make the other pullys line up and that's exactly how much the fan is hitting the radiator of course. The flex fan i was using did not have that problem though so i never got into why it all is like this?

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945816
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Airflow is the problem here, but an (overly) advanced camshaft can cause hot(ter) idling aswell
Was the cam degreed properly in your motor?

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Airflow is the problem here, but an (overly) advanced camshaft can cause hot(ter) idling aswell
Was the cam degreed properly in your motor?




No idea at all as it was in there when i bought the car over 10 years ago. All i know is it is way too much duration for a mostly stoch engine.


Ok so i got the radiator out and i think i will look for a new one now anyway.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945818
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Take your time and get it figured out. I got advice and help from jbc426. My 26" was recored to a 4 row and we got enough clearance. The factory thermal fan works great. Fresh coolant and 180 superstat. The extra row could increase how close it is.

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Take your time and get it figured out. I got advice and help from jbc426. My 26" was recored to a 4 row and we got enough clearance. The factory thermal fan works great. Fresh coolant and 180 superstat. The extra row could increase how close it is.




Well i have it all apart now and going to try and replace as much stuff as i can while the engine bay is open.

I hope to find a direct fit radiator that has increased cooling as wel as no extra width if that is possible??

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