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Fan to radiator location what is optimal? #945762
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I'm working on getting my cooling system in better shape. I have a mechanical fan that replaced the clutch factory fan. I mounted it as close as possible to the radiator in thinking that was best. The fan is only 1/2 nich from the radiator fins.

The engine runs at 180 to 185 degress most always around here in the cool Bay Area, but when i went to a car show in a far away city last year where the temps were in the low 90's as soon as i got off the freeway and sat at a light in maybe a minute it hit 210 and i had to shut it off as it reached 220+ and climbing fast. Did not take more than a two minutes idling for that to happen so i am thinking maybe the fan is too close to the radiator or would an electric fan be best for those occasions when i get to very hot climates.









Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945763
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placement looks good and you seem to have a decent shroud. I would consider putting the clutch fan back in,those flex fans can be troublesome. I would also look for another problem elsewhere,have you done a pressure test?

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: west] #945764
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Is that a five-blade fan? It may not be pulling enough volume, especially at idle. You also may not have enough radiator for "warmer" climates.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #945765
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Stu, what size radiator 22 or 26 inch? And I would use a 7 blade fan with clutch. As for your temp rising when at idle in hot weather, you are not getting enough air flow and an electric fan set up with a manual switch should cure that issue. I have a few factory fans avaialable let me know what you plan on doing as I can more than likely hook you up with the needed parts.

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the temps were in the low 90's as soon as i got off the freeway and sat at a light in maybe a minute it hit 210 and i had to shut it off as it reached 220+ and climbing fast. Did not take more than a two minutes idling for that to happen so i am thinking maybe the fan is too close to the radiator or would an electric fan be best for those occasions when i get to very hot climates.


Put on a steel 7 blade fan (largest dia that will safely fit the shroud) and space it ~2/3 into the shroud entrance


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Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: SCATPK] #945767
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Stu, what size radiator 22 or 26 inch? And I would use a 7 blade fan with clutch. As for your temp rising when at idle in hot weather, you are not getting enough air flow and an electric fan set up with a manual switch should cure that issue. I have a few factory fans avaialable let me know what you plan on doing as I can more than likely hook you up with the needed parts.




I have the stock 22 inch version. So far never had a problem around here but when i hit the really warm climates it gets hot too quick. Now as long as i am doing say over 30MPH i am fine in the heat it's just slow moving that does me in.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: SCATPK] #945768
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The 69 manual calls for radiator to front of fan gap to be from 3/4" to 1-1/4" The closer you can get your fan to radiator the more air you will draw in through your radiator which will help your overheating problems sitting in traffic. It does look like to me your fan could go into your shroud another 1/4-1/2" deeper. I experienced all this a couple years ago after getting my engine rebuilt. It to was have overheating. I had to much clearance between rad. and fan. It was 1-3/4-2". I had a 1-1/4" spacer and I needed a 2" spacer. My temps afterward ran 180-195 on I know a few 90 degree temp.
days where before it would go up to 205 sitting in traffic for 5-10 minutes. But I do believe this is with the 7 blade 18" stock steel fan and not the clutch fan.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: MidPenMopar] #945769
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Do a pressure test,a loose clamp or cracked rad cap gasket can sometimes only be noticeable under stressful conditions like extreme heat or idling in traffic.start with the cheap options first.

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: superbeedave] #945770
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The 69 manual calls for radiator to front of fan gap to be from 3/4" to 1-1/4" The closer you can get your fan to radiator the more air you will draw in through your radiator which will help your overheating problems sitting in traffic.




Ok so you do want the fan as close to the radiator as possible then??


I had to move mine back a little bit as when the blades flexed it hit the fins of the radiator so i know it can not go any further than it is now.

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Stu, an electric fan would be the easiest way to deal with the problem. If all is good at speed then the electric fan is the answer. I have my original 26" radiator that is sitting on the shelf that is yours to use if you want. If may be all you need to take care of your cooling issue at idle, if it works then a bigger radiator is in order. Let me know if you want to give it a try and I will drop it off.

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Stu, an electric fan would be the easiest way to deal with the problem. If all is good at speed then the electric fan is the answer. I have my original 26" radiator that is sitting on the shelf that is yours to use if you want. If may be all you need to take care of your cooling issue at idle, if it works then a bigger radiator is in order. Let me know if you want to give it a try and I will drop it off.




You know Herb at one time i was going to go with the 26 inch but if my opening was only 22 then i figured the extra area would not be used efficently?? So i had the originl just cleaned out and rebuilt maybe 5 years ago by the gur in Pacifica.

I am leaning towards a front mount puller electric fan on a switch that i can control from inside the car.

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My dad's Super Bee has a 22' radiator in it with a 7-Blade fan and a fan clutch and I never recall the motor ever getting hot. It has been driven to LA and to Sacramento a few times and has always stayed cool. I agree with Herb, 7-blade fan with a fan clutch, or an electric fan with a switch should work just fine.

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Has the radiator been re-cored at any time or is it original?

A radiator shop can check the flow through it to make sure it doesn't have any blockages.


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Ok so you do want the fan as close to the radiator as possible then??


As close to the rad as you safely can w no shroud but you are running one as you should so that changes the requirement & w them you want the blades ~2/3 of the way into the rear side of the shroud. MP thermal clutch fan w a fixed 7 blade is the best but just tossing on a fixed 7 blade one from your stash (w no clutch) will ans the Q if it is strickly an inadequate fan prob (my that's it) WO you having to purchase the good thermal clutch fan which just engages/disengages when it gets hot but is not magical for upping the CFM but only saves HP by it's being disengaged until the heat rises to a certain level

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My dad's Super Bee has a 22' radiator in it with a 7-Blade fan and a fan clutch and I never recall the motor ever getting hot. It has been driven to LA and to Sacramento a few times and has always stayed cool. I agree with Herb, 7-blade fan with a fan clutch, or an electric fan with a switch should work just fine.

-Nick Common




Since 99% of the time the engine runs perfectly cool, i think i will look into the electric fan option. I always wondered though does the phyical mass of the fan in front of the radiator stop some air flow when it's not being used though?

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My dad's Super Bee has a 22' radiator in it with a 7-Blade fan and a fan clutch and I never recall the motor ever getting hot. It has been driven to LA and to Sacramento a few times and has always stayed cool. I agree with Herb, 7-blade fan with a fan clutch, or an electric fan with a switch should work just fine.

-Nick Common




Since 99% of the time the engine runs perfectly cool, i think i will look into the electric fan option. I always wondered though does the phyical mass of the fan in front of the radiator stop some air flow when it's not being used though?





That is what I would wonder about, never know until you try it.

But if I were you, I would reinstall a 7 blade fan and clutch. I'm almost sure that would solve your problem without any load on your electrical system and won't block any air flow. My

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Since 99% of the time the engine runs perfectly cool, i think i will look into the electric fan option. I always wondered though does the phyical mass of the fan in front of the radiator stop some air flow when it's not being used though?



Yes, the mass of the fan will partially block airflow at highway speeds...Just how much varies...The trouble I have with running the pusher fan on the front of the rad is the noise at highway speeds...It'll spin backwards and whistle when not engaged...Very annoying to me...A good thermal clutch with a 7 blade fan complemented by all the incoming air being forced through the rad by adding air dams and blocking the charge from going around would be my first attempt...

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My dad's Super Bee has a 22' radiator in it with a 7-Blade fan and a fan clutch and I never recall the motor ever getting hot. It has been driven to LA and to Sacramento a few times and has always stayed cool. I agree with Herb, 7-blade fan with a fan clutch, or an electric fan with a switch should work just fine.

-Nick Common




Since 99% of the time the engine runs perfectly cool, i think i will look into the electric fan option. I always wondered though does the phyical mass of the fan in front of the radiator stop some air flow when it's not being used though?





That is what I would wonder about, never know until you try it.

But if I were you, I would reinstall a 7 blade fan and clutch. I'm almost sure that would solve your problem without any load on your electrical system and won't block any air flow. My





The car never had a clutch fan on it from the day i bought it 10 years ago. I did think of going back to a stock fan clutch but since i never had any problem around here i always put it on the back burner. Now that i want to hit some father off shows i am trying to get all these issues straightned out.

So I guess you can still buy a direct fit clutch fan than??

Re: Fan to radiator location what is optimal? [Re: screamindriver] #945780
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A good thermal clutch with a 7 blade fan complemented by all the incoming air being forced through the rad by adding air dams and blocking the charge from going around would be my first attempt...




Looks like MP sells the kit with a 5 blade fan and not 7 though. Is that a major difference in cooling capabilties?

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Sure is, big difference between the 5 and 7 blade CFMs...Also, the MP unit is a viscous fan{that fan was 60 bucks when it came out now look at the price !}...The clutch is RPM activated...You want a thermal clutch...It locks up when the rad temp goes up...So when the rad is hot the clutch is spinning the blades regardless of RPM...Stu, you can snag the clutch at the local auto parts store if you know the length of the unit you'll need...

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