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it would look better doing that if you had left the louvers in the back window,i also saw a win light in the thaw vid,very cool,nice pic also.

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I caught alot of grief over those louvers ,but they did kinda look cool .I sold them to a guy with a Dart street car who was drowling over them.I had to take them out anyway when i did the rear firewall so i let him have them .Thanks for the compliment on the win light Sam.Im starting to get the hang of Bracket racing ,but im still not crazy about it .Alot of these Nostalgia events i attend are doing the Bracket thing ,so if you cant beat'em you have to join'em ...

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But just wait for the Caltrac/mono crowd to come on here sayin' your '60 would be 1.45 and your front tires would be a foot in the air instead of a 1/2 inch. ( )

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A dead hooked tire is a dead hooked tire regardless of what makes it hook.My car doesnt have the setup motor or gear wise for a foot of air .Its 4.10 gears and a 1.76 low geared Powerglide ,with 3500 stall .All i was trying to prove is that it can work if adjusted right (which took lots of tries to get it right),and you can get good traction with cheap junk if you work at it .Im sure those guys will still be laughing at me though .I have a grand total of $42.00 in my suspension upgrades with the Craigslist slapper bars ,and the misc hardware ...

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Now take em off and put on a set of SS springs and no slapper bars and get a pic. with the wheels in the air you wont need a magnafying glass to see. If you look close on this pic you can see any light between the rear bumper and the track. Ladder bars on this one.

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Nice wheelie ,but air is air .I win .I didnt know that S/S springs would give me more motor ,convertor ,and gears to do those kinda wheelies ...

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......but look on the bright side....a couple days ago, we couldn't have fun with the 'old school' stuff,,,the guys that 'gave all the knowledge' would have brow beat us off the thread.

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just let'em keep posting daniel,they take this stuff way more serious than you or i do.the way i see it we're having a lot of low buck fun.i'll send you some pics of my new 68 short wide,its cool.

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It is kinda interesting Sam .Wanna see a vid of me putting a 60 thousand dollar high 5 low 6 second all motor 55 Chevy on the trailer from round one of the Bracket eleminations Saturday ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF8zkKoLS0


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This is for all of you that say a Mopar cant work with slapper bars.

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This is for all of you that say a Mopar cant work with slapper bars.

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Well, they work on every leaf sprung nova Ive ever seen. Why not a Dodge? The bar just look bad(ugly)IMO. Im just one of those kinda guys. What happens when u take them off?

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well when i had the car it bent the right main leaf.but it was the original 1964 spring,i up graded it to a 65 when i replaced that 1 side.

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This is for all of you that say a Mopar cant work with slapper bars.

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Well, they work on every leaf sprung nova Ive ever seen. Why not a Dodge? The bar just look bad(ugly)IMO. Im just one of those kinda guys. What happens when u take them off?

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I have always heard that they cant work cuz of the Mopars having short front spring segments in comparison to a Ford or GM .My Dart had nothing for traction devices when i got it and got 1.65- 1.68 60 foots most of the time plus would spin the slicks easily as the rearend would sqaut .It also bent the shocks from the rearend rolling up off the hit of the throttle .Once i got the Slapper Bars figured out my 60's went to mid to high 1.5 60 foots everytime and no wheel spin or spring wrap ,plus it lifts the front and back of the car on the hit of the throttle with them.Would Caltracs or S/S springs work on my car ? Sure they would .Would it be as cheap ? Not by a long shot .I had a few people in the pits walk by my Dodge in the pits and say "are those slapper bars on a Mopar "???

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I think the bars are a band-aid though, ss springs arent ladder bars but for a couple hundred bucks they are decent money spent.

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If for no other reason you should replace the 46 year old leaf springs before you break one and wind up mowing down the tree, hit the wall, or hitting the car in the other lane. If you can afford a decent running engine and a good stall conveter you should be able to buy a set of new leaf springs for $225 and a new set of shocks. Only takes a few hours to change them. And yes, a good working set of springs will transfer rhe weight better and can make better use of existing engine, trans, converter you allready have. My demon was picking the wheels 6 to 8 inches when running low 12s 1/4 mile, 7.50s 1/8th mile on Direct Connection S/S leaf springs.

Slapper bars on a Mopar make me and most other mopar guys LOL. Because it has been proven many times over they are not necessary. They were invented for wheel hopping mono-leaf spring equiped generic motors cars. I can't remember how many Novas and Camaros I have seen with Mopar S/S springs.
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just a note to add here,daniel is in it for the fun of it,he's not a regular bracket racer,he attends some nostalgia type races,and was chevy guy untill i sold him this car.he's still learning and trying to make the most of what he has on a budget.every thing on here seems to turn into pissing matches any more.thanks for your time,sam.

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The Chevy picture is pretty cool (hey, it's not a Camaro).

There is a couple of good (funny) one liners in here.

#1. Somebody said Shocker needs a "magnifying glass" to see his air. (Sorry Shocker, but that was funny.)

#2. This guy with the 63 Plymouth said at one time, he upgraded from a 1964 to a 1965 spring.

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Agreed on both were fuuny,but Sams clever sarcasim was good enough to make me spit iced tea on my keyboard .I would have to give it atleast a 9.5.The "magnififying glass" thing made me chuckle ,but i didnt spit my iced tea .I will give it a 6 to 7 ...

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For the record guys ,im not saying that Caltracs /Mono leafs and S/S springs are no good.Im just saying that they are not the only option for a small tire car to get traction and certainly not as cost effective as what i did to my low 7 second heap ...

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They're working....run em....cheap is good

I wish Denton was in my neighborhood

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Wheelies are the result of a good working car. And the spectaters love them. I normally keep 30lbs on the nose to keep it down. I have won many bracket races with the front wheels 3 feet in the air and landing 150 feet out every pass. The wheels in the air slow the car down very little to none. The picture in my reply was at the Bryon Wheelstand contest. I moved the 30lbs from the nose to the trunk and chipped it up from a 3800 to 4400 RPM launch. Was well worth it for the $10000 check I got to deposit the following monday morning.

FWIW the motor/trans in my car is probably not much different than yours. 418 c.i. small block with 1973 production heads, flat top pistons, .590 flat tappet cam, 727 trans, 8" converter and 4.56 gear.

Now, order a set of S/S springs and competition engineering shocks. Install the new stuff and put the slapper bars in the trash, then go to the track and let us all know how it all works.

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Sorry ,but there is a slight difference in a car that launches with 4.56 gears and a low geared 1st in 3 spd 727 at 4400 rpm vrs one that has a 1.76 low PG and 4.10 gears at 3500 rpm .BTW my 408 is a 10 to 1 motor with a .484 lift 235 duration cam with unported iron heads ...

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A 727 and a set of S/S springs with a good tune-up your car would run 6.80s

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Sorry ,but there is a slight difference in a car that launches with 4.56 gears and a low geared 1st in 3 spd 727 at 4400 rpm vrs one that has a 1.76 low PG and 4.10 gears at 3500 rpm .BTW my 408 is a 10 to 1 motor with a .484 lift 235 duration cam with unported iron heads ...

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Sorry ,but there is a slight difference in a car that launches with 4.56 gears and a low geared 1st in 3 spd 727 at 4400 rpm vrs one that has a 1.76 low PG and 4.10 gears at 3500 rpm .BTW my 408 is a 10 to 1 motor with a .484 lift 235 duration cam with unported iron heads ...

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And there you have it!


Your combo is running great with the slappers in your case/combo.

Typically, slappers on the mopars front Short spring segment create to much leverage causing a violent seperation between axel and body resulting in wheel hop.

But with your HP and overall gear and stall you have them working just fine, IMO All your incremental numbers are in line. Your actual 11.48 ET is a bit fast for your 113 mph.

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I have always heard that they cant work cuz of the Mopars having short front spring segments in comparison to a Ford or GM .My Dart had nothing for traction devices when i got it and got 1.65- 1.68 60 foots most of the time plus would spin the slicks easily as the rearend would sqaut .It also bent the shocks from the rearend rolling up off the hit of the throttle .Once i got the Slapper Bars figured out my 60's went to mid to high 1.5 60 foots everytime and no wheel spin or spring wrap ,plus it lifts the front and back of the car on the hit of the throttle with them.Would Caltracs or S/S springs work on my car ? Sure they would .Would it be as cheap ? Not by a long shot .I had a few people in the pits walk by my Dodge in the pits and say "are those slapper bars on a Mopar "???

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old springs looked like a pretzel on the hit...
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The Chevy picture is pretty cool (hey, it's not a Camaro).

There is a couple of good (funny) one liners in here.

#1. Somebody said Shocker needs a "magnifying glass" to see his air. (Sorry Shocker, but that was funny.)

#2. This guy with the 63 Plymouth said at one time, he upgraded from a 1964 to a 1965 spring.

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Keep the slapper bars,just need an 8 track playin' "SUPERSTOCK DODGE"

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If you can dig up a picture of Joe Aluise's Max Wedge A/SA car from around 2000, it might surprise (disturb?) you to see slapper bars on it... and it was probably the fastest Mopar Stocker on the planet at that time, too.

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Sure they work. A lot of things work. Some things work better than others.

Bottom line is for how long?

A friend of mine had them on a V8 AMC AMX (1979 or 1981,...whatever?).
He loaded the car with a 1968 Javelin drivetrain (343 ci, 4speed, and 4.10 rear end). He had slapper bars on the rear.

First time out he broke the tailshaft of the tranny and damaged the driveshaft.

He replace the 4spd, new driveshaft. Within a handfull of passes the spring perches broke and put him back on the trailer.

Replaced the 4 spd with an amc 727 and 4000 stall. Next outing, it only took a couple of passes and he spun the center of the rear end at the housing ends in the '68 Javelin rear end.

This was only a low 12 car that should have been in the 11's with ease.

I always heard slappers eventually bend things.

I was there, witnessing things bend till they broke.

We repaired things, and I removed the factory clamps on the rear segments. The rear segments fan about a foot on launch. Still running low 12's for a few outings, then performance started to go away.

This car ran in Bens' Promax headsup street series that was at Indy a few years back. The motor was hurt that day.

After seeing all that, I would not run slappers on a serious car. It's not worth the grief.

I like your car, we ran something like that around 1972 with a 360 in it.

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Because of the mopar short front segment of their spring slapper bars are not needed. if they worked it is because he was bandaiding something wrong. the only thing the bars do is stop the front segment from wrapping up. he could have accomplished this with just a pinion snuber. also the bars are not hard on any parts ect. mopar has the shortest front segment in the buissness. that is why we kind of make fun of some one who uses them on a mopar. as for the bars on the pickup those are just another slapper bar design they are not even close to a caltrac set up as how they work they still only stiffen the front segment. so did they work for him yes because he probably had worn out parts that alowed the spring to not plant the tire. most likley a well tuned in snubber would have given the same resaults and this thread would have not been here.

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No bars on this car, Only an added leaf tothe stock springs and a snubber. 1.55/1.56 60's all day and runs 11.40's.

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i used them for MANY years. until the fuzz made me remove them from my car one night. said they would " dig into the ground if i got a flat", and i would "lose control of the vehicle".

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Wow! Tough crowd.

Seems like the knowledgeable ones that left were quickly backfilled.

Can't a guy post something he found works for his combo.

The way I see it, slabberbars redirect energy like a 4-link but need to be the length to which they hit under the springeye. Caltracs do it, but with the enhancement of its patented design. Otherwise, I'm sure his stock springs would wrap-up as he has mentioned.

I guess we all have to justify our money spent and how ours works for us.

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Smart guy .The key to getting the slapper bars to work is getting them directly under the spring eye as you mentioned.Also setting the preload plays a big part in how they work or dont work .I made different thickness shims out of some round aluminum stock (i got for free)that i drilled a hole in the center of.I put them between the bars and the snubbers to set the preload.A pinion snubber would control spring rap ,but i like the bars because it applies the upward force a bit further foward and as i mentioned you can fine tune it side to side which is why my car lifts the front evenly on each side ,instead of leaning to one side when it hits.The bars that im using are old Competion type with the spring plates made to them and are heavy wall tubing.They are not the cheap ones that clamp to the springs.The springs are worn on my car and i know that ,and im sure sum new s/s springs would do they same thing ,but this way works well to and its easier to tune them IMO and i dont even need a wrench to do it at the track .Thanks for the support also ...

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Because of the mopar short front segment of their spring slapper bars are not needed. if they worked it is because he was bandaiding something wrong. the only thing the bars do is stop the front segment from wrapping up. he could have accomplished this with just a pinion snuber. also the bars are not hard on any parts ect. mopar has the shortest front segment in the buissness. that is why we kind of make fun of some one who uses them on a mopar. as for the bars on the pickup those are just another slapper bar design they are not even close to a caltrac set up as how they work they still only stiffen the front segment. so did they work for him yes because he probably had worn out parts that alowed the spring to not plant the tire. most likley a well tuned in snubber would have given the same resaults and this thread would have not been here.

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The bottom line is that the OP spent $40.00 and made his car quicker. Give the guy a break.

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The bottom line is that the OP spent $40.00 and made his car quicker. Give the guy a break.

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