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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: sam64]
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03/07/11 11:15 PM
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well when i had the car it bent the right main leaf.but it was the original 1964 spring,i up graded it to a 65 when i replaced that 1 side. 
Yeah, they are hard on the springs for sure.
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: The Shocker]
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03/07/11 11:19 PM
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This is for all of you that say a Mopar cant work with slapper bars.
Well, they work on every leaf sprung nova Ive ever seen. Why not a Dodge? The bar just look bad(ugly)IMO. Im just one of those kinda guys. What happens when u take them off?
I have always heard that they cant work cuz of the Mopars having short front spring segments in comparison to a Ford or GM .My Dart had nothing for traction devices when i got it and got 1.65- 1.68 60 foots most of the time plus would spin the slicks easily as the rearend would sqaut .It also bent the shocks from the rearend rolling up off the hit of the throttle .Once i got the Slapper Bars figured out my 60's went to mid to high 1.5 60 foots everytime and no wheel spin or spring wrap ,plus it lifts the front and back of the car on the hit of the throttle with them.Would Caltracs or S/S springs work on my car ? Sure they would .Would it be as cheap ? Not by a long shot .I had a few people in the pits walk by my Dodge in the pits and say "are those slapper bars on a Mopar "???
I think the bars are a band-aid though, ss springs arent ladder bars but for a couple hundred bucks they are decent money spent. 
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: qwkmopardan]
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03/07/11 11:30 PM
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If for no other reason you should replace the 46 year old leaf springs before you break one and wind up mowing down the tree, hit the wall, or hitting the car in the other lane. If you can afford a decent running engine and a good stall conveter you should be able to buy a set of new leaf springs for $225 and a new set of shocks. Only takes a few hours to change them. And yes, a good working set of springs will transfer rhe weight better and can make better use of existing engine, trans, converter you allready have. My demon was picking the wheels 6 to 8 inches when running low 12s 1/4 mile, 7.50s 1/8th mile on Direct Connection S/S leaf springs.
Slapper bars on a Mopar make me and most other mopar guys LOL. Because it has been proven many times over they are not necessary. They were invented for wheel hopping mono-leaf spring equiped generic motors cars. I can't remember how many Novas and Camaros I have seen with Mopar S/S springs.
Keep them on there and we will just keep laughing.
Getting big air means nothing and actually slows you down .I was just showing that pic of my car to prove that the tires are dead hooking (obviously).Here is a pic of my freind Herbs 60 getting mucho air.Guess what it runs mid to low 12's but gets on the bumper nearly everytime he launches thanks to a Richmond 5 spd ,5.13 gears and a 7500 rpm clutch side step .He and others actually refer to it as "the fastest 12 second car in the world"I was in the other lane on this pass and i went 7.17 to his low 8 pass.Wheelies are for the fans and my freind puts on a good show which is what the Nostalgia thing is all about .BTW sorry for the Bowtie pic mods.It was the best example i had a pic of the slow wheelie thing...
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: The Shocker]
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03/07/11 11:42 PM
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The Chevy picture is pretty cool (hey, it's not a Camaro). There is a couple of good (funny) one liners in here. #1. Somebody said Shocker needs a "magnifying glass" to see his air.  (Sorry Shocker, but that was funny.) #2. This guy with the 63 Plymouth said at one time, he upgraded from a 1964 to a 1965 spring. Thanks for the laughs. 
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: sam64]
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03/07/11 11:52 PM
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just a note to add here,daniel is in it for the fun of it,he's not a regular bracket racer,he attends some nostalgia type races,and was chevy guy untill i sold him this car.he's still learning and trying to make the most of what he has on a budget.every thing on here seems to turn into pissing matches any more.thanks for your time,sam.
Thanks Sam.Im not exactly poverty stricken ,but i do try and spend money on this car wisely since its not the only one i have to spend money on and i dont race it but 4 or 5 times a year and isnt street driven. I dont really get enough time in the saddle to keep my reaction times up to parr ,but i have a blast everytime i get to race.The Darts been lots of fun so far and a learning curve trying to make it quicker without just sitting back and throwing money at it .It doesnt bother me when people poke at me on line .Im hoping that someone that may be in the same situation im in with my car who doesnt want to spend crazy $$ on it to try and get traction will see there are other options than the mainstream way ...
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: pinkduster]
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03/07/11 11:57 PM
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The Chevy picture is pretty cool (hey, it's not a Camaro).
There is a couple of good (funny) one liners in here.
#1. Somebody said Shocker needs a "magnifying glass" to see his air. (Sorry Shocker, but that was funny.)
#2. This guy with the 63 Plymouth said at one time, he upgraded from a 1964 to a 1965 spring.
Thanks for the laughs.
Agreed on both were fuuny,but Sams clever sarcasim was good enough to make me spit iced tea on my keyboard .I would have to give it atleast a 9.5.The "magnififying glass" thing made me chuckle ,but i didnt spit my iced tea .I will give it a 6 to 7  ...
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
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03/08/11 12:10 AM
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For the record guys ,im not saying that Caltracs /Mono leafs and S/S springs are no good.Im just saying that they are not the only option for a small tire car to get traction and certainly not as cost effective as what i did to my low 7 second heap ...
They're working....run em....cheap is good
I wish Denton was in my neighborhood 
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: qwkmopardan]
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03/08/11 12:18 AM
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Wheelies are the result of a good working car. And the spectaters love them. I normally keep 30lbs on the nose to keep it down. I have won many bracket races with the front wheels 3 feet in the air and landing 150 feet out every pass. The wheels in the air slow the car down very little to none. The picture in my reply was at the Bryon Wheelstand contest. I moved the 30lbs from the nose to the trunk and chipped it up from a 3800 to 4400 RPM launch. Was well worth it for the $10000 check I got to deposit the following monday morning.
FWIW the motor/trans in my car is probably not much different than yours. 418 c.i. small block with 1973 production heads, flat top pistons, .590 flat tappet cam, 727 trans, 8" converter and 4.56 gear.
Now, order a set of S/S springs and competition engineering shocks. Install the new stuff and put the slapper bars in the trash, then go to the track and let us all know how it all works.
Sorry ,but there is a slight difference in a car that launches with 4.56 gears and a low geared 1st in 3 spd 727 at 4400 rpm vrs one that has a 1.76 low PG and 4.10 gears at 3500 rpm .BTW my 408 is a 10 to 1 motor with a .484 lift 235 duration cam with unported iron heads ...
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
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03/08/11 12:28 AM
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Sorry ,but there is a slight difference in a car that launches with 4.56 gears and a low geared 1st in 3 spd 727 at 4400 rpm vrs one that has a 1.76 low PG and 4.10 gears at 3500 rpm .BTW my 408 is a 10 to 1 motor with a .484 lift 235 duration cam with unported iron heads ...
Well then you might as well make it slower and put a little chevy motor in it to go with your chevy trans and slapper bars.
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: qwkmopardan]
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03/08/11 12:30 AM
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--quote-- They're working....run em....cheap is good
I agree but don't get on a message board bragging about something well proved to be unnecessary and obsolete.
Time slips dont lie .Remember my 60 foots went from 1.65 - 1.68 on a well preped track to 1.54 - 1.59 on a well preped track or gravel road with no other changes other than installing the slapper bars.I would say there is sum gain there ...
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
[Re: dennismopar73]
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03/08/11 12:38 AM
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off topic,,
dan need to get ahold of you whats a good time
now
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Re: Slapper Bars on a Mopar
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03/08/11 12:43 AM
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Sorry ,but there is a slight difference in a car that launches with 4.56 gears and a low geared 1st in 3 spd 727 at 4400 rpm vrs one that has a 1.76 low PG and 4.10 gears at 3500 rpm .BTW my 408 is a 10 to 1 motor with a .484 lift 235 duration cam with unported iron heads ...
A 727 and a set of S/S springs with a good tune-up your car would run 6.80s
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