1st,....When you PM, or contact BEEQUIK, his first name is Chris, not Brian.

2nd,....I think the "Replica" title is more a tribute to the original then the use of "Clone". The Banner could read, "A12 Replica Section". Also the windsheild sign could say replica. I'll print a couple up tonight, scan them, and post for everyones approval.

3rd,....RoadRunner. Remember when I was looking for an A12, I was thinking of the Clone route. Remember, your White RR sitting in the driveway photo. I think your car is one of the sharpest out there with the hood on. I still do!!!! It would be ashame if you left your car at home. I vote you bring it.

4th,....RoadRunner. With the approval/feedback of the forum, why don't you start a Third post on the "Roll Call" thread, with the intention of only posting the "Replica A12's"? Use the same format I have started. Or, if decided amongst the troops, we can intregate the Replicas in with the A12's. I would just type in bold letters the word Replica where i'm putting the A12 at the end of the line. You can coordinate with me in the PM department. I would welcome your help.

Gary

"2nd,....I think the "Replica" title is more a tribute to the original then the use of "Clone". The Banner could read, "A12 Replica Section". Also the windsheild sign could say replica. I'll print a couple up tonight, scan them, and post for everyones approval."

How about "A12 Tribute Section" ?

Ok so I started something again by asking a question that was not my intent! But it looks like we all have come to a fix for it and it all sounds like a great thing

OK, so I have been thinking about a few ground rules for the replicas.

First and foremost, the vehicle must be a 1969 B-body (a 68 with a fiberglass hood won't cut it) either Belvedere or Coronet based, 2 door hardtop or coupe, with appropriate interiors, and exterior features (emblems, decals, etc.)

Second, vehicle must possess the features that are special to the A12 breed. That is, there must be a 440 between the fenders, a 6bbl (or 6 pack) on top, a fiberglass lift off hood, and some facsimile of a fressh air style air cleaner (I was going to limit it to original style only, let me know what you think) made of fiberglass, steel or aluminum.

Third, options that vary from original A12 cars should be limited (i.e. prefer black steel wheels to aftermarket wheels, Dana to 8-3/4). I was lienient on this last one since I know a lot of the A12s were modified the day after they were bought and I am not sure how many original A12s still have all their goodies.

Fourth, modifications made to improve drivability, performance, or safety are acceptable (i.e. aftermarket ignition, headers, disc brakes). Afterall, we replicate the originals but aren't afraid to change them a bit in the name of improvements without devaluing an original.

What do you folks think.

T.J.

T.J.

Excellent post. Sounds like a plan. Let me know whether you want to continue a post on the roll call thread for the replicas, or if you want me to edit the first post and start the third post. Your involvement is welcome!!! The more people we can get to participate in the organization of the Reunion, the faster we can get the momentum moving. And personally, the more we all work together, I feel the more fun this will be.

There is plenty of room for the Clones, and Replica's, but the A12 reunion is not for them. I like them, but it's an A12 reunion! No labeling them! No special parking for them! If they are to be included then we better invite all of the 383, and hemi cars too. Bring the cars, and join in the celebration of our A12 cars, but keep them seperated completely from the real A12 cars. Just my opinion!
KIDSIXPACK

Steve,

We have determined with Carlisle that replicas will not be grouped with the A12s. Close, across the isle maybe, but not with.

Besides that, I would think they're free to park where they want- as it is an open fairground. In other words we can't dictate parking outside our area. When they check in, the folks at the gates will determine where they go. As B bodys, I suspect it'll be in our vicinity...so why not adjacent?

Hey...regardless, I'm confident we can arrange this so that there's no confusion between the A12s and replicas. A12s will have windshield cling signs to signify originality, and there will be banners for fairground demarcation lines. No confusion, plain as day.

Actually, it might be interesting, after looking at 40+ A12s, to see what options the replicas have to offer. T.J., continue on with your efforts. Where you park will be outside of our area- but close enough to enable an easy walk between to compare and admire all cars.

Forum members,

Roger Gibson and Frank Badalson will be there.

Rich Berlisk and John Grinwald, the pioneers of A12 restoration cannot make it. They will be on their mid west racing circuit with their 63 and 65 Belvederes. These guys have traded date code matching numbers for ETs. LOL

Randy Buntyn (who now owns Berlisk's bee) is going to try to trailer up from Texas. Any of you guys coming from Texas might want to contact Randy and see if you can help each other? PM me for his phone number. Resto Rick, who restored this gorgeous car, as well as John Grinwald's national award winner, will be there.

Lisa Leathery, from Carlisle, is negotiating with Mr Sox. A lot of this has to do with health.

Bill (62maxwgn) and Mike (A12) have gotten approval from Mr Hoover on his attendance.

I've emailed Paul Jacobs with an invitation and asked him to also extend an invite to the F6 Nats award winner owners. What a beautiful car.

I've also emailed Dave and Barbara Ferro, extended an invitation, and asked them to contact all A12 owners they've worked for. I recall one F8 RR from a few years ago which had a 2 tone interior- nut and bolt resto. Hope he can make it as well.

I'm hoping our very own 'gpm6367' can bring the Vic Edelbrock Bee as that will be quite an attraction as well as conversation piece.

So things are moving along and we hope to finalize the attraction list by the end of the month. Of course the main reason we want to promote attractions is to bring in more A12 cars. If you guys can think of any other means to increase A12 car participation lets hear them now. It's important that we persuade the fence sitters to trailer or drive their cars in for the show.

BTW If you're gonna be there, or offer thoughts- please consider helping. There's plenty for everyone to do if you're interested. making phone calls or emailing is about as hard as it gets.

I know Frank has an emailing campaign which will start in early December. If you can help with that let him know. We'd be asking for you to email a standard form letter about the re-union to mopar car clubs he's found through the moparts links...might take you 15 minutes to send these emails. PM Frank (dysryr)if interested.

Regards,
Coop

Fantastic News!

Colin Comer just replied regarding the Re-Union.

He will likely bring the F6 Runner and a twin F6 Bee to the Re-Union.

For those of you who don't know Colin he is a long time advocate of these cars (owns 4) and has had some of the best restoration efforts ever attempted on A12s pass through his doors- at 'Colin's Classic Automobiles'. John Balow's (MCR) R4 Runner, and of course the incredible F6 Aloha Runner come to mind. I've asked Colin to offer any suggestions he might have to better the turnout and Re-Union. Stay tuned.

Colin's site:

http://www.classicauto-sales.com/



Regards,
Coop

More fantastic news!

Paul Jacobs (Jacobs Restoration and Parts) will be there with the F6 A12 Bee that won the Nats recently and was a cover story in MCG! What a car and what a story behind the ownership. He also hopes to bring a second car to display.

I've also asked Paul for his suggestions in maximizing turnout and bettering the event.

It's early yet, but this Re-Union is shaping up to be most memorable.

Pauls site:

http://www.jacobsrestoration.com/index.php?cruising=who_we_are

Stay tuned.

Regards,
Coop

Excellent work Coop!!!! Keep those big boys coming!!

Everyone, please take a look at the Roll Call Thread. I started a third post for the attendence of the Replicas. How does it look? I'm using the same format.

T.J., are you going for sure? PM me your info on that cool White RR so I can put it on the list.

Any other Replica guys going, just give me a PM. Again, as Frank is talking with the Carlisle folks, it would be in all of our best interests to let the event people know what type of crowd to expect.

Gary

Gary and Co.,
maybe this has been covered, but what are the logistics of Vehicle security, daily moving, or staying put options?

Can you camp with your car? Tent in the A12 area, Etc?

I'm a bit "noid" about leaving the car.............since my original F8 post 4 speed runner was stolen 23 years ago
Anyone else

Ed

Gentleman,
I just read this entire thread for the first time. And I have to say I'm impressed. To see a group thats based for the most part all over the world, work out problems is amazing.

I would be more than happy to do some promoting on my website, now getting anywhere from 1400 to 1700 visits a month.Granted probably not all A12 guys, But some might know someone with one thats not familiar with Moparts.

Bill,

We would love to have some help if you would put something on your website!

By the end of the week we will have a full list of special guests and dignitaries that were instrumental in the development, NHRA racing, and restoration of A12 cars and who will be attending Carlise in '05 as part of the Reunion.

Bill, Thanks for whatever you can do to promote this through your site! Like you said, its the guys not familiar with Moparts that we need to get exposure with! We've got 30 cars just from the forum and hope to more than double that number with good publicity in the next few weeks and months.

Frank

To All,

I've been talking to Bill behind the scenes, and He is one heck of a stand-up guy. I think it is great to have Bill do this for us A12'ers. He and I are working on a special A12 surprise for the attendees. More on that latter.

Here's to Bill and A+M Hightech Automotive!

Gary

If the flyer is in it's final configuration. Could someone please send it to me in a PDF format please.

Aren't any of the "proper A-12" guys going to the drag strip to show their stuff?Haven't heard much about the A-12 dragstrip outing friday afternoon!Isn't that the whole aura of these fire-breathing beasts?Or did I miss the point?Just .02 from a Regular old 383 superbee guy.

This is the first I heard of it but I have not looked at the schedule for the weekend I am not oppossed to runing my car down the track it has been 18 yrs since I made a run with it hope I remember how to to it and if I break some thing I am sure there are lots of parts and guys there to put it back toghterIf not I will call back home and have someone bring a trailer

I have been talking with Lisa at Carlisle about just that subject. She says she would be able to help us line up some time at the track to run just A12s, also there is a burnout competition Friday or Saturday that we could get into. Someone posted a few days ago about burning the tires just for fun. I think that's a great idea!

I'll be talking again with her on 07 Dec '04 and will be nailing down many other details in the next couple of weeks.

Any other requests or ideas that you guys would like me to run past Lisa? She has been very appreciative of us putting so much into the planning and promoting. Let me know here or via PM if you have something we haven't covered yet.

Thanks,
Frank