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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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I'm pretty sure I have some pictures taken at LVD in NY at a divisional meet. Not the red one though. I'll see if I can find them.
 POst them if you got them. I remember he was partnered up with a Weber, was he a SBM guy as well?
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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I think I remember seeing a pic of of a Ritter car in the mopar A engine book. Can't be sure though.
Jesse, I used to see pics of his car in the MP news flyers I used to get in the early 90's if I recall.
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Here is one of us at the Grove for the Dutch Classic. I do not recall the year though.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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The same event as we were packing up.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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Found another. At a Dog & Pony show but I can't remember where.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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02/12/11 11:51 PM
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The "black" cars debut at the Gators in 93.
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1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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One more from the Gators.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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No, both cars were built by Jerry Haas for Comp Eliminator. Lots of folks thought they were the old PS cars but Comp cars are a bit different.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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I do have engine shots. I worked with them on both the cars. Need to look around for those . Will try tomorrow.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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you are correct they were built by haas but i believe 1 of them cars was an old d a  car?? in those years it was very common for old ps cars to become comp car and such
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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I'm pretty sure I have some pictures taken at LVD in NY at a divisional meet. Not the red one though. I'll see if I can find them.
POst them if you got them. I remember he was partnered up with a Weber, was he a SBM guy as well?
Dave Weber was the engine guy. He then worked for Arrington Engines for several years and now has his own shop again. Here is his site:http://www.modernmuscle.biz/. I'll have to scan the pictures I have. The engine bay ones are good while some of the others are long distance shots.
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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but i believe 1 of them cars was an old d a car??
Both those cars were built for Comp specifically. Not the old PS cars. Bought them both brand new from Jerry's shop. Here is the only engine shot I can find. I know I have some from dyno sessions but heck if I know where they went to. Hard to believe it was 20 years ago.
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1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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They were my heroes back then and fact is that very few have gone faster with a small block, even with todays better equipment 
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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but i believe 1 of them cars was an old d a car??
Both those cars were built for Comp specifically. Not the old PS cars. Bought them both brand new from Jerry's shop. Here is the only engine shot I can find. I know I have some from dyno sessions but heck if I know where they went to. Hard to believe it was 20 years ago.
Wow thats a thin motor plate. Did rules allow multiple carbs? or is that a single under there? Hard to believe it really was that long ago.
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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off topic a little
but werent the prostock cars of this era ladder bar set ups?
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Ladder bars were gone by the mid-late '70s. Don Hardy (Glidden) built cars were probaly the last to use them.
Ness (WJ) and SRD (Grumpy J) built cars had some 3-link set ups before 4-link became the norm.
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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I believe Rick Allison at A&A owns both cars now.
Howard
... i don't think Rick owns them both now, he may have at 1 time but not now. i know this because my car is sitting in the same garage as this car, which belongs to my bro Cecil Stanford..Cecil and his brother Rodney bought this car off of Mike Shaffer(SP) who i believe bought it off of Rick Allision. i'm not even gonna pretend that i know very much of the history about this car, but Cecil has talked to Jerry Haas about the car and was told that this build tag meant it was built for Ritter&Weber..hence the RW(Ritter-Weber)on the tag. Cecil also tells me that Haas told him in a phone conversation, that to the best of his(Haas)memory that there were 4 cars built. 2-P/S and 2-S/C cars. the P/S car tag would of had WC(Wayne County).
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-1967 Plymouth Satellite #3555
446 cid on E-85
best 1/4 et 10.577 @ 127.58
best 1/8 et 6.722 @ 100.68
best 60ft. 1.419
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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Those Daytonas were very light. Had a lot of titanium.
The car weighed 1820 or 1850 in A.
Is that without driver or with driver weights?
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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One more.
Very good possibility that motor there is JR/Jackie Hick's 394" Just looking @ a few things about it, I'm fairly certain that is the motor they now have in their Daytona.
None of the Daytona motors had W5 or W7 heads on them even though it said so on the scoop, as is obvious in all the pics, those are all Arrington heads. The motor in the Black & white car looks to be Hick's 394, & the top end in the other pics in the Red car with more square runners on the intake looks to be the intake/heads 340Rick had on his car for a short time.
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Another thing is the Arrington heads are not all the same. The set I sold to Ryan are completely different than the set a buddy of mine has where Dave Weber built the motor and Vignona owned it. The motor was nick named the mule. Made a lot of power over my Arrington headed motor.
There were quite a few revisions of those heads.... your set were later ones with a heavily angled spark plug, & a small double quench pad chamber. Rick's set were std plug angle W5 heart shape chamber etc.
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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Another thing is the Arrington heads are not all the same. The set I sold to Ryan are completely different than the set a buddy of mine has where Dave Weber built the motor and Vignona owned it. The motor was nick named the mule. Made a lot of power over my Arrington headed motor.
There were quite a few revisions of those heads.... your set were later ones with a heavily angled spark plug, & a small double quench pad chamber. Rick's set were std plug angle W5 heart shape chamber etc.
What exactly is an Arrington head? Was it a Zeus casting?
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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Another thing is the Arrington heads are not all the same. The set I sold to Ryan are completely different than the set a buddy of mine has where Dave Weber built the motor and Vignona owned it. The motor was nick named the mule. Made a lot of power over my Arrington headed motor.
There were quite a few revisions of those heads.... your set were later ones with a heavily angled spark plug, & a small double quench pad chamber. Rick's set were std plug angle W5 heart shape chamber etc.
What exactly is an Arrington head? Was it a Zeus casting?
No, Zeus is (was) a foundry that cast some aluminum parts for Chrysler (heads, blocks, intakes) years ago. They are out of business....
Arringtons were cast by Diamond in Michigan, late 80's into mid 90's. They were designed/made for Joey Arrington. 15 degree head, very similar in size/shape to a W7. Intake port is roughly 1.3" to 1.5" off the deck of block. They have alot of water leaking issues, too much water jacket in the intake short turn area.... Castings were never great either aluminum quality wise. I could have shown you some when you were @ shop last week if you had inquired, I have several sets here.
Ritter's stuff was angle milled to 13 degree, most were ported by Jim Bell in TX. Most were 2.15"/1.625" valve heads, 11/32 guides, flow in the 350 range on intake & 250 exhaust.
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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I'll see if there are any laying around.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Ritter Daytonas
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I believe Rick Allison at A&A owns both cars now.
Howard
... i don't think Rick owns them both now, he may have at 1 time but not now. i know this because my car is sitting in the same garage as this car, which belongs to my bro Cecil Stanford..Cecil and his brother Rodney bought this car off of Mike Shaffer(SP) who i believe bought it off of Rick Allision. i'm not even gonna pretend that i know very much of the history about this car, but Cecil has talked to Jerry Haas about the car and was told that this build tag meant it was built for Ritter&Weber..hence the RW(Ritter-Weber)on the tag. Cecil also tells me that Haas told him in a phone conversation, that to the best of his(Haas)memory that there were 4 cars built. 2-P/S and 2-S/C cars. the P/S car tag would of had WC(Wayne County).
Saw this thread was dug up again...
Rick Allison did have one of the (red) '89? Daytonas and raced it into the late 90s until he had a mishap in it. While making repairs to that one he bought one of the '93 (black) Ritter Daytona's. He did sell the red one to Mike Schaeffer after repairs were completed, and continues running the black one today. I may have some photos through the years - will see if I can dig any up. They were both Haas cars built for Ritter/Weber - were never Pro Stock cars.
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Was doing some Google searching for Ritter-Weber photos, and came across this photo/forum. I said hey...I know that 80's Challenger. Mr. Ritter's younger brother was one of my Babe Ruth coaches...will withhold his name to protect the innocent! Remember going up to the shop and looking at these cars and the rail car...also watching dyno an engine or two. Would love to score another Ritter-Weber or Ritter racing tee-shirt, the one I have has gotten pretty shredded. Wow...that was a long time ago. Dave Webber did the machine work on my little 2.2 Turbo II. Dave is doing a lot in the G3 hemi World, https://www.modernmusclextreme.com/ Might be worth a shot to see if he still has a shirt or 2 laying around.
1963 Thunderbolt 496FE 10.80 (still a work in progress)
1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE
1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph
1993 Lightning 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA
1996 Viper GTS
2001 Lightning 8.99 @ 155MPH 5.4 Mod Motor
2009 Ram 9.65@144MPH 463CI G3 NA
2010 Challenger 9.91 @ 139MPH 408CI G3ci NA
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Google turned up nothing for me..
You got any engine shots to go with those? 
I would imagine that pics of it were a no no.
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