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Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: STEFF] #921809
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so which oil pan is needed to fit the motor in a muscle car..A body for that matter.
or do you have to hack the k member.
the car pan i have is a front sump.
also whats the motor mount situation.?
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The Milodon pan fits nice!! if you put the motor in stock location. I moved mine as far back to the firewall, so I had to add a clearance pocket for the drag link.


I used a motor plate for mounting motor & I built my own headers, since I moved the motor around & put it as low as possible in the engine bay.




What type of rocker system are you using?
I wonder why BES went with the jesel setup in their EMC.

Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: MattW] #921810
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I'm using the stock rockers. I've talked to enuff people & asked enuff questions about them. They're plenty strong for a street/strip deal.

As for the Jesel stuff, if you can swing it, why not use it? It's top shelf.

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We just did a 6.1L super stock legal engine for a customer of ours & almost made 700 HP N/A. 689/586 to be exact. Not bad.




is that going to be in SS/E??

Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: STEFF] #921812
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I'm using the stock rockers. I've talked to enuff people & asked enuff questions about them. They're plenty strong for a street/strip deal.

As for the Jesel stuff, if you can swing it, why not use it? It's top shelf.




Yeah but at 3200.00 how much of a gain do you get with a hydraulic cam?

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Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: MattW] #921815
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I'm using the stock rockers. I've talked to enuff people & asked enuff questions about them. They're plenty strong for a street/strip deal.

As for the Jesel stuff, if you can swing it, why not use it? It's top shelf.




Yeah but at 3200.00 how much of a gain do you get with a hydraulic cam?




Harland Sharp will have some adjustable roller rockers out soon for around $1800.Still not cheap, but at least it's another choice if you want to run a solid lifter roller cam.

http://www.harlandsharp.com/hemi.htm


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Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: Ray440] #921816
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I'm using the stock rockers. I've talked to enuff people & asked enuff questions about them. They're plenty strong for a street/strip deal.

As for the Jesel stuff, if you can swing it, why not use it? It's top shelf.




Yeah but at 3200.00 how much of a gain do you get with a hydraulic cam?





Harland Sharp will have some adjustable roller rockers out soon for around $1800.Still not cheap, but at least it's another choice if you want to run a solid lifter roller cam.

http://www.harlandsharp.com/hemi.htm





Yeah I know about the Harland Sharp rockets and there is another one by HHP. I think theirs is non adjustable.
At 3200 or 1800 a set I rather sink my $$$ into a rotating assembly.
I know in an all out motor trying to get every last ounce of hp you could justify it but how much is there to gain using roller adjustables in a hydraulic

Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: MattW] #921817
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Maybe soon a hydraulic won't be mandatory, and they're anticipating the need

Header wise, I've seen + 50 ft lbs at only 2000 rpm with a long tube 1&7/8 primary, into a 2&3/4 collector, on an otherwise stock 5.7


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Maybe soon a hydraulic won't be mandatory, and they're anticipating the need

Header wise, I've seen + 50 ft lbs at only 2000 rpm with a long tube 1&7/8 primary, into a 2&3/4 collector, on an otherwise stock 5.7





I heard those logs were restrictive. When do you think RAS will come out with a rocker arm system? Matt Sent U a PM

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Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: STEFF] #921819
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Steff, not asking you, in particular but, anybody that knows......

What would/do you run for transmission and converter with the new HEMI?

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Steff, not asking you, in particular but, anybody that knows......

What would/do you run for transmission and converter with the new HEMI?



Same bolt patern as the LA smallblock.

Re: 3rd gen HEMI swap for drag racing...tricks for power. [Re: MattW] #921821
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where do they put a date on the engines? i have a hemi sitting in my garage and dont know what year it is


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so $490 for a set of eagle heads and $1800 for rocker arms..
that dollar cost averages to $2290 for a set of 700hp heads...
whats the dilema?


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Steff, not asking you, in particular but, anybody that knows......

What would/do you run for transmission and converter with the new HEMI?




I'm using a Turbo 400 with a JW Ultrabell.

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a couple things

1st, i was looking at the flexplate conversion on mancinis website and it appears to me that it will only accept a larger style converter with the small 5/16ths converter bolts. does someone else make a flex plate for smaller vert with the larger 7/16ths bolt holes

the next thing is, i was trying to study the rocker gear oiling system today. to me it looks like oil thru the pushrod and that oil then fills the rocker shaft to push oil out the other side of the rocker to oil the springs which then got me thinking about how will the harland sharpe rockers work with needle bearings and even more so with an adjustable rocker arm. i would want to look at the rockers and how their designed before i bought them. unless of course you were to run oil lines to the shafts

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a couple things

1st, i was looking at the flexplate conversion on mancinis website and it appears to me that it will only accept a larger style converter with the small 5/16ths converter bolts. does someone else make a flex plate for smaller vert with the larger 7/16ths bolt holes

the next thing is, i was trying to study the rocker gear oiling system today. to me it looks like oil thru the pushrod and that oil then fills the rocker shaft to push oil out the other side of the rocker to oil the springs which then got me thinking about how will the harland sharpe rockers work with needle bearings and even more so with an
adjustable rocker arm. i would want to look at the rockers and how their designed before i bought them. unless of course you were to run oil lines to the shafts




If you look at the heads What are the two holes in the rocker stands.both sides 2nd stand in from end. Is that oiling through the rocker shaft like the LA engine.

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a couple things

1st, i was looking at the flexplate conversion on mancinis website and it appears to me that it will only accept a larger style converter with the small 5/16ths converter bolts. does someone else make a flex plate for smaller vert with the larger 7/16ths bolt holes

the next thing is, i was trying to study the rocker gear oiling system today. to me it looks like oil thru the pushrod and that oil then fills the rocker shaft to push oil out the other side of the rocker to oil the springs which then got me thinking about how will the harland sharpe rockers work with needle bearings and even more so with an
adjustable rocker arm. i would want to look at the rockers and how their designed before i bought them. unless of course you were to run oil lines to the shafts




If you look at the heads What are the two holes in the rocker stands.both sides 2nd stand in from end. Is that oiling through the rocker shaft like the LA engine.




i didnt notice that. i'm going to look


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a couple things

1st, i was looking at the flexplate conversion on mancinis website and it appears to me that it will only accept a larger style converter with the small 5/16ths converter bolts. does someone else make a flex plate for smaller vert with the larger 7/16ths bolt holes

the next thing is, i was trying to study the rocker gear oiling system today. to me it looks like oil thru the pushrod and that oil then fills the rocker shaft to push oil out the other side of the rocker to oil the springs which then got me thinking about how will the harland sharpe rockers work with needle bearings and even more so with an
adjustable rocker arm. i would want to look at the rockers and how their designed before i bought them. unless of course you were to run oil lines to the shafts




If you look at the heads What are the two holes in the rocker stands.both sides 2nd stand in from end. Is that oiling through the rocker shaft like the LA engine.




i didnt notice that. i'm going to look




the holes are drilled to a head bolt hole. i dont have the heads off the engine but i think it must an oil feed to the shafts


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a couple things

1st, i was looking at the flexplate conversion on mancinis website and it appears to me that it will only accept a larger style converter with the small 5/16ths converter bolts. does someone else make a flex plate for smaller vert with the larger 7/16ths bolt holes

the next thing is, i was trying to study the rocker gear oiling system today. to me it looks like oil thru the pushrod and that oil then fills the rocker shaft to push oil out the other side of the rocker to oil the springs which then got me thinking about how will the harland sharpe rockers work with needle bearings and even more so with an
adjustable rocker arm. i would want to look at the rockers and how their designed before i bought them. unless of course you were to run oil lines to the shafts




If you look at the heads What are the two holes in the rocker stands.both sides 2nd stand in from end. Is that oiling through the rocker shaft like the LA engine.




i didnt notice that. i'm going to look




the holes are drilled to a head bolt hole. i dont have the heads off the engine but i think it must an oil feed to the shafts




Thats what I was thinking, and they are at both ends. You got to love the new stuff

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