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Crank Bearings full grove or 3/4 ??? #920450
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What do you guys use 3/4 grove or full grove? I have heard that full grove is best for oiling but they can cause the crank to grove on thrust side-bottom and it is better to use 3/4 grove to give the crank more area on the bottom side. A friend of mine told that to also order the bearing -.001 also. This I have not heard of?
They do cost alot more
Also anybody use King Bearings? I see they are made right hear in NJ

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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: JSR1485] #920451
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I use King bearings, but the're not made in NJ. they are made in Israel.
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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: JSR1485] #920453
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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: JSR1485] #920455
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Anybody have any input on what bearings are best to use?


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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: JSR1485] #920456
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Old skool here,I always used full groove and on my race big block I even use the wide full groove.Never noticed any more wear on the cranks.


Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: JSR1485] #920457
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Small block 408 stroker



Over 10 years with the same crank,,,full groove bearings.


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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: CHAPPER] #920458
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Ixnay on the full groove !!

From Clevite ...

First, it’s essential to understand that bearings
depend on a film of oil to keep them separated
from the shaft surface. This oil film is developed
by shaft rotation. As the shaft rotates it pulls oil
into the loaded area of the bearing and rides up
on this film much like a tire hydroplaning on wet
pavement. Grooving in a bearing acts like tread
in a tire to break up the oil film. While you want
your tires to grip the road, you don’t want your
bearings to grip the shaft.
The primary reason for having any grooving in a
main bearing is to provide oil to the connecting
rods. Without rod bearings to feed, a simple
oil hole would be sufficient to lubricate a main
bearing. Many early engines used full grooved
bearings and some even used multiple grooves.
As engine and bearing technology developed,
bearing grooving was removed from modern
lower main bearings. The result is in a thicker
film of oil for the shaft to ride on. This provides a
greater safety margin and improved bearing life.
Upper main shells, which see lower loads than
the lowers, have retained a groove to supply the
connecting rods with oil.
In an effort to develop the best possible main
bearing designs for performance engines, we’ve
investigated the effects of main bearing grooving
on bearing performance. The graphs on the next
page illustrate that a simple 180° groove in the
upper main shell is still the best overall design.
While a slightly shorter groove of 140° provides a
marginal gain, most of the benefit is to the upper
shell, which doesn’t need improvement. On the
other hand, extending the groove into the lower
half, even as little as 20° at each parting line
(220° in total), takes away from upper bearing
performance without providing any benefit to
the lower half. It’s also interesting to note that as
groove length increases so do Horsepower Loss
and Peak Oil Film Pressure which is transmitted
directly to the bearing.

Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: Stanton] #920459
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Ixnay on the full groove !!

From Clevite ...

First, it’s essential to understand that bearings
depend on a film of oil to keep them separated
from the shaft surface. This oil film is developed
by shaft rotation. As the shaft rotates it pulls oil
into the loaded area of the bearing and rides up
on this film much like a tire hydroplaning on wet
pavement. Grooving in a bearing acts like tread
in a tire to break up the oil film. While you want
your tires to grip the road, you don’t want your
bearings to grip the shaft.
The primary reason for having any grooving in a
main bearing is to provide oil to the connecting
rods. Without rod bearings to feed, a simple
oil hole would be sufficient to lubricate a main
bearing. Many early engines used full grooved
bearings and some even used multiple grooves.
As engine and bearing technology developed,
bearing grooving was removed from modern
lower main bearings. The result is in a thicker
film of oil for the shaft to ride on. This provides a
greater safety margin and improved bearing life.
Upper main shells, which see lower loads than
the lowers, have retained a groove to supply the
connecting rods with oil.
In an effort to develop the best possible main
bearing designs for performance engines, we’ve
investigated the effects of main bearing grooving
on bearing performance. The graphs on the next
page illustrate that a simple 180° groove in the
upper main shell is still the best overall design.
While a slightly shorter groove of 140° provides a
marginal gain, most of the benefit is to the upper
shell, which doesn’t need improvement. On the
other hand, extending the groove into the lower
half, even as little as 20° at each parting line
(220° in total), takes away from upper bearing
performance without providing any benefit to
the lower half. It’s also interesting to note that as
groove length increases so do Horsepower Loss
and Peak Oil Film Pressure which is transmitted
directly to the bearing.




I use the Clevite full groove bearings....???


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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: CHAPPER] #920460
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Clevite still makes them, because everyone thinks they need them. As with most things in an engine, most people really don't understand how it works. A healthy oiling system and proper clearances, you don't need a grooved bearing. If you insist, do as Clevite suggests and run a grooved upper, but you want the smallest groove you can find.

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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: Monte_Smith] #920461
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I run the clevite H series in my 416 they are a half groove I spin this motor to 7500 on a regular basis and I looked at the mains after 125 passes and the bearings and crank still look new I see no reason to worry about having a full groove if everything else is correct.


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i used to use full groove in race motors, but now i only use half groove. just make sure the clearances are right. oh, i also use a lot of 10w30 oil. sometimes spinning to 74 to 7500

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Is it also good to use -.001 bearings for better clearance also? This is what a friend always uses.


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Re: Crank Bearings what to use? [Re: JSR1485] #920464
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I beeez liken the NARROW full-groove. Michigan bearing ...I got them through JCW .... but I am getting real REAL low on them.

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Is it also good to use -.001 bearings for better clearance also? This is what a friend always uses.




Maybe if your on the tighter side but if you set the
crank for the the looser side you wont need those...
I set everything at .003... and I've been running a
1/2 groove for a long time... just like that article
said... I want the larger load carrying area

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i've always used full groove, but, as usual, you guys got me thinking...


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1/2 groove king bearings here in my smallblock.

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I run the full, narrow grooved on my big blocks. All has been well

Re: Crank Bearings full grove or 3/4 ??? [Re: JSR1485] #920469
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As posted, there are a bunch of theoretical different characteristics. But from a practical point of view, this is my experience. My BB uses full groove main bearings to get the benefit of more oil to the rods. Even at my power level, I have not seen any main bearing issues from the reduction due to the groove in the lower half of the bearing. And I just took out my rod bearings after over 600 passes on them, so they are lasting a long time.

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