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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: demon]
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Well, I didn't keep the original electonics. Wedgeman might help with some specifics there. but I did drop a 5.9 into my b-body. http://www.dodgecoronet.com/forum/showth...&highlight= some of that may or may not help you. won't say you will have less issues, just different. you need the 360 LA pan and LA gasket for it. I would recommend you find the van power steering unit/bracket to tuck it back in a little. will require a different belt. I got the shumaker mounts, but you could use spacers instead. There were a couple of people that cut the pump out of the truck and had it welded into the car tank as I recall. Allows for a returnless pump system. I didn't want to go that route. Wedgeman managed to just wire up power to it and left it an independent harness for the computer and I believe used his own gauges. I have no idea how you are going to cram truck gagues into an ebody. but more power to you.
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: roadrunninMark]
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Demon, can you please put up pics when you do this swap? That would be excellent. How much smaller is the 500 vs 518? Also what are the power limits between the 2?
Mark
I will post pics but it might be a few months.
I'm hoping to have a lot of it sorted out and engineered soon. Plan is to make it super simple so anyone can do it. Using donor vehicle parts wherever possible.
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: demon]
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02/01/11 10:38 AM
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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.
yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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I m working on a similar swap here, 318/a500 in a 55 coronet but my motor is out of a 94 grand cherokee and trans is from a van I believe.
anyhow, about power steering pumps, jeep has a different bracket that
places the pump very close to the waterpump, maybe something to look into
another thing about jeeps, you can t use jeep exhaust manifolds with "normal" starter position, I guess GC has the starter on the other side?
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.
yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.
so today I placed the E body column and the Dakota column side by side and did some measuring. They are identical tube diameter. Overall tube length very close. Shaft is different but easily modified by combining the two or using an intermediate shaft like a 72-93 Dodge 4x4. The upper column and plastic covers etc all work fine. I test fit it into the dash too and only minor trimming to the Dakota plastic covers needed. This will be no problem putting the Dakota column in. Only thing I didn't do yet was pull the Dakota steering wheel off to see If the splines will accept the E body soup can.
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: demon]
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02/03/11 06:24 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.
yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.
so today I placed the E body column and the Dakota column side by side and did some measuring. They are identical tube diameter. Overall tube length very close. Shaft is different but easily modified by combining the two or using an intermediate shaft like a 72-93 Dodge 4x4. The upper column and plastic covers etc all work fine. I test fit it into the dash too and only minor trimming to the Dakota plastic covers needed. This will be no problem putting the Dakota column in. Only thing I didn't do yet was pull the Dakota steering wheel off to see If the splines will accept the E body soup can.
what did you do about the big plastic boxey mass that houses the key, hazards, wiper and turn signal switches???
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/03/11 08:29 PM
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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.
yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.
so today I placed the E body column and the Dakota column side by side and did some measuring. They are identical tube diameter. Overall tube length very close. Shaft is different but easily modified by combining the two or using an intermediate shaft like a 72-93 Dodge 4x4. The upper column and plastic covers etc all work fine. I test fit it into the dash too and only minor trimming to the Dakota plastic covers needed. This will be no problem putting the Dakota column in. Only thing I didn't do yet was pull the Dakota steering wheel off to see If the splines will accept the E body soup can.
what did you do about the big plastic boxey mass that houses the key, hazards, wiper and turn signal switches???
that plastic boxy unit fits just fine. Doesn't look stock for an E body, but does blend in reasonably well. Hoping the E body can and wheel fit right on
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: Dragula]
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02/04/11 12:35 AM
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Why not a FAST EZ efi?
I can buy a running Dakota for $500-$1500 and get every piece I need. All mopar and cheap
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: demon]
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02/04/11 07:15 PM
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As for the differences between the 500/518 case sizes, they're negligible. The overdrive section measures the same, and from that point forward you're talking the difference between a 904 and a 727. Both transmissions will require cutting the transmission cross member and welding a piece of fitted flat stock in its place. Make your decision based on the condition of the two, and intended use. Size matters not (obligatory Star Wars quote).
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: MarkZ]
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02/04/11 11:19 PM
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As for the differences between the 500/518 case sizes, they're negligible. The overdrive section measures the same, and from that point forward you're talking the difference between a 904 and a 727. Both transmissions will require cutting the transmission cross member and welding a piece of fitted flat stock in its place. Make your decision based on the condition of the two, and intended use. Size matters not (obligatory Star Wars quote).
actually, there was a post here years ago for E and '71 up B's that put a 518 in them WITHOUT cutting the t-bar xmember, but by trimming some of the ribs on the OD case....dunno if anyone has the pics saved anymore...
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: patrick]
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A few of items to note:
1)The 92 5.2L was a return fuel system 40 psi with pump in the tank and a regulator on the fuel rail.93 up uses the returnless system with a bypass and pump in the tank.40 psi until 96.Switch the fuel rail to 93-95 type.
2)There is a very shallow Jeep tank that might bolt in.It has the pump and bypass in the tank.It will need to be modified slightly to fill it of course.
3)You can patch in the Magnum harness to the vehicle harness-8 wires
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: mike s]
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A few of items to note:
1)The 92 5.2L was a return fuel system 40 psi with pump in the tank and a regulator on the fuel rail.93 up uses the returnless system with a bypass and pump in the tank.40 psi until 96.Switch the fuel rail to 93-95 type.
2)There is a very shallow Jeep tank that might bolt in.It has the pump and bypass in the tank.It will need to be modified slightly to fill it of course.
3)You can patch in the Magnum harness to the vehicle harness-8 wires
right on! Thanks. That's some good info
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: roadrunninMark]
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02/07/11 12:05 PM
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A500/42RH uses the low gear 904 setup: 2.74/1.54/1/.69 OD
A518/46RH uses the standard 727 setup, 2.45/1.45/1/.69 OD
I'm running a 42RH in my 5th ave. mark is switching from a 42RH to a 46RH.
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: ralphie361]
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02/11/11 02:01 AM
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I am beginning the same type of swap on a 68 fury 4door (why?) although I am not using the whole harness. I am going to splice the original harness with the underhood one from the Dakota. I have a friend with some experience in this, but he says there are only 5 or so wires to splice on OBD1. As for fuel system, I have a '71 tank in the car already so it has some vapor return ports. The LS1 corvettes use a fuel filter with a built in regulator, it has in, out and return, so I plan on using an inline pump. I was able to score a deal on a 95 dak with a 5.2 but a blown trans, but my car has a good 727 so I am going to use it for now. Sorry for the long post, but I thought I was the last one trying to do a EFI magnum swap!
Update on this car. Here is some progress pics of the harness. It is pretty easy to strip this harness down to what is not needed. It will use the ASD and Fuel Pump relay.
The three loops of wire are fo 12v feed, 12v run/ign feed, and 12 out to fuel pump (from relay)
Still need to finish wrapping it back up, and tie up a couple loose ends.
Justin
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: wldtm]
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Update on the Fury, engine out, trans notched, but I need a different converter. The one in the car had 11inch bolt spacing and I need one with 10 inch to fit inside the magnum flex plate. Should be bolted together in the next few weeks.
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
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The harness should be installed by the end of this week (time allowing). Hopefully some pics will be taken. If you want to build your own harness PM me if you need some help or I have another one done for this swap if you want to purchase one. It will be nice to see how this first one goes. This should be a very nice driver, that anyone can drive and start without setting the choke. Looks good Ralph!
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: Andrewh]
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the gentlemen with the fury in the pic wasnt going to do that. we made our own harness. we just posted pics to this thread because he was doing something similar to the 5.2 in the E body. this car (gold fury) used factory dakota wiring harness modified and the 5.2. he is trying to do this as simple as possible. justin 
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: ralphie361]
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Fired the car up for the first time tonight! Plugged in most of the harness, and tapped 12V off of the alternator and 12v ignition on source off of the old coil wire, temporarily. If you take out the ballast resistor and jumper the terminals you get full 12V on start and run position in the ignition switch. Still did not plumb a fuel system, just running it off of a pressurized tank for the moment. Now for permanent wiring since I know it works. Thanks to Justin (wldtm) for all of his help on this car 
excellent!
I'd sure like to know what wires are necessary for making the engine and computer function so I can retain my stock dash etc if I go that way. Nice job!
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: demon]
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Keep these PINs per a 94 dakota service manual
PINS
1 map sensor
2 ECT sensor
3 Battery feed
4 sensor return
6 5v supply
7 8v supply
9 Ignition feed
10 not needed with 727
11 Ground
12 Ground
13 Inj Driver4
14 Inj Driver3
15 Inj Driver2
16 Inj Driver1
17 Inj Driver7
18 Inj Driver8
19 Ign Coil Driver
20 Gen Feild Driver
21 Air Temp Sensor
22 TP Sensor
24 Reference Pickup
25 Data link
27 AC compressor (if keeping AC)
29 Brake sense (if keeping cruise)
30 P/N switch
32 MIL
33 VSS (if keeping dakota cruise) we got rid of)
34 AC WOT relay (if keeping ac- we got rid of)
35 EGR Solenoid (we deleted EGR)
37 Trans OD light (we got rid of)
38 Inj Driver5
39 IAC
40 IAC
41 Heated O2 Sensor
43 Tach (we kept)
44 CMP sensor
45 Data llink
47 VSS pick up (we kept for now) KEEP 47-50, 53 keep if using dakota cruise
48 VSS set/coast (we got rid of)
49 VSS on/off (we got rid of)
50 VSS resume/accel
51 ASD relay and fuel pump relay driver
52 Evap purge (we got rid of)
53 VSS vent (we got rid of)
54 EMCC solenoid (we got rid of)
55 Trans OD solenoid (we got rid of) (keep if using 42rh or 46rh)
57 ASD bat supply
58 Inj Driver6
59 IAC
60 IAC
The best thing to do is build a wiring harness using a 94-95 dakota schematic. You will need an ASD and fuel pump relay socket. This is the part where you will need to do a little modifying.
It depends on how much stuff you want to keep. You could keep AC, overdrive trans, and cruise if you wanted to...
Use the vehicles stock sending unit to run gauges ex) temp, oil psi, volts
I can make this harness for interested parties
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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions?
[Re: ralphie361]
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Found an oversight in my parts selection this afternoon. 5.2 and 5.9 magnums use the same oil pan, not like 318 vs 360 LA. When I first filled it with oil I had a leak and chalked it up to me screwing up the gasket install. After the second one this afternoon leaked I looked it up online and got conflicting stories. MP tech line confirmed that I need a 360 car pan instead of the 318 pan for the 5.2 or 5.9, and they said the one piece rubber gasket should work. Minor issue, but annoying!
the one piece does not work. I know. unless you adjust the pan, it will leave a gap at the front and back of the motor. you need to use the LA gasket set.
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Now to tidy up the wiring and hang an exhaust on it.
