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5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? #918135
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I think I will be swapping a 92 5.2 Magnum into my Challenger.
I have a few questions that maybe somebody here might throw their two cents in.
First off I have 2 choices.
1. a 92 Ram 150 2WD running donor and
2. a 92 Dakota 2WD running donor
both complete trucks. My plan is to swap almost everything over.
First off, what is the best way to deal with the fuel pump?
The Challenger tank is pretty deep.
The Ram uses the 518 trans which a bit bulky but will fit. Will I need to cut/ relieve the floor or trans x member?
The Dakota uses the smaller 500 trans which ought to fit easier.
Are there trans mounts available for these O/D swaps?
Has anyone used a Ram or Dakota steering column in an E body?
Any other stuff I might look at?
I build mopars everyday so this isn't new to me, just looking for some input. Thanks!

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918136
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I don't think you'll need the trans of steering column. The engine should drop right in. Then it's all about getting the harness cut in. Are you going to keep the beer keg intake or go w/ a M1?


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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #918137
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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918138
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Well, I didn't keep the original electonics. Wedgeman might help with some specifics there.
but I did drop a 5.9 into my b-body.
http://www.dodgecoronet.com/forum/showth...&highlight=

some of that may or may not help you.
won't say you will have less issues, just different.

you need the 360 LA pan and LA gasket for it.

I would recommend you find the van power steering unit/bracket to tuck it back in a little. will require a different belt.

I got the shumaker mounts, but you could use spacers instead.

There were a couple of people that cut the pump out of the truck and had it welded into the car tank as I recall. Allows for a returnless pump system. I didn't want to go that route.

Wedgeman managed to just wire up power to it and left it an independent harness for the computer and I believe used his own gauges.
I have no idea how you are going to cram truck gagues into an ebody. but more power to you.

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918139
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Demon, can you please put up pics when you do this swap? That would be excellent. How much smaller is the 500 vs 518? Also what are the power limits between the 2?
Mark

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As for the guages, that's pretty easy. The Dakota guages are in a nice compact little rectangle unit that fits in almost any application. My buddy is doing a Dakota frame swap on a 49 ford and we have done lots of research fitting already.Dakotas are the ultimate donor

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918141
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We did an easier swap, 96 Dakota to 84 Ramcharger. The 84 318 mounts fit the Magnum block just fine. I did have to make a new trans crossmember for the 518, but that was easy. We swapped the entire 96 wiring harness and only made up what we needed for the wipers, steering column, and AC/heater. We used a cluster from a 92 Ram (electronic analog speedometer) because it fit the 84 dash.

The fuel tank is another issue. Both the Ramcharger and Dakota had plastic tanks. I believe the ultimate solution would have been a van fuel tank (mid-90s), but we couldn't find one that hadn't been punctured by the wrecking yard. We wound up using some sealant and some screws/plates to attach the Dakota pump flange to the Ramcharger tank.

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: roadrunninMark] #918142
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Demon, can you please put up pics when you do this swap? That would be excellent. How much smaller is the 500 vs 518? Also what are the power limits between the 2?
Mark




I will post pics but it might be a few months.
I'm hoping to have a lot of it sorted out and engineered soon. Plan is to make it super simple so anyone can do it. Using donor vehicle parts wherever possible.

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918143
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For the fuel pump, a frame rail mounted high pressure pump will work with regulator in the engine compartment. Use a 3/8" pick up minimum. Aeromotive, Holley and others have pumps with the right capacity. Stay away from the super high capacity pumps like the A1000 as they are too much for the stock pickup. With a stock pickup, you should keep the tank at least 1/4 full.

There was a long post on fuel tanks for EFI last fall. If you search for it you'll find lots of other options for in tank and sumps.

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If you use the smallest avalible fuel tank from a 92-96 4 cyl Dakota it is like a fuel cell you can put in the trunk. That way you can adapt the factory fuel pump, you will have to make the lines from scratch. You can also make the fuel filler tube work with some mods. Don't forget to pull the intake manifold and replace the belly pan gasket on the bottom. Get the updated gasket from the dealer, if you don't they are known to suck/burn oil.

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You may not have to make lines from scratch to use the Dakota pump. We couldn't use the Dakota lines due to the location of the tank, but we grabbed the lines from a short wheelbase van and the fit was perfect in our Ramcharger, which I believe, has a similar wheelbase to an E-body.

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Great tips so far! Thanks everyone!
I have the Dakota guage cluster in front of me right now and it will be easy to adapt. The E body dash is wide open with the stock guages out. Tons of room to fit and all nice flat straight angles to make my faceplate simple. Won't look like stock guages but will function 100% and have all the Dakota features intact. Tomorrow I'll compare steering columns. I have them both out. Looks like a simple changeover too.
I'd say the E body/Dakota morph will be quite slick. The rear diff is actually pretty close too so I may stick it in as well so I have the antilock rear brakes too.

Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918147
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The Dakota we parted had a 3.55 geared 8-1/4, but it didn't have a sure grip and I let it go with the trailer that I made out of the bed as I didn't have anything else. SO, check those gears.

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Oh, and here is the trailer that I made. I couldn't find a buyer for the bed, so........I also got $400 for it.

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Re: 5.2 EFI swap into E body suggestions? [Re: demon] #918149
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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.




yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.

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I m working on a similar swap here, 318/a500 in a 55 coronet but my motor is out of a 94 grand cherokee and trans is from a van I believe.

anyhow, about power steering pumps, jeep has a different bracket that
places the pump very close to the waterpump, maybe something to look into

another thing about jeeps, you can t use jeep exhaust manifolds with "normal" starter position, I guess GC has the starter on the other side?


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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.




yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.




so today I placed the E body column and the Dakota column side by side and did some measuring. They are identical tube diameter. Overall tube length very close. Shaft is different but easily modified by combining the two or using an intermediate shaft like a 72-93 Dodge 4x4. The upper column and plastic covers etc all work fine. I test fit it into the dash too and only minor trimming to the Dakota plastic covers needed. This will be no problem putting the Dakota column in. Only thing I didn't do yet was pull the Dakota steering wheel off to see If the splines will accept the E body soup can.

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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.




yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.




so today I placed the E body column and the Dakota column side by side and did some measuring. They are identical tube diameter. Overall tube length very close. Shaft is different but easily modified by combining the two or using an intermediate shaft like a 72-93 Dodge 4x4. The upper column and plastic covers etc all work fine. I test fit it into the dash too and only minor trimming to the Dakota plastic covers needed. This will be no problem putting the Dakota column in. Only thing I didn't do yet was pull the Dakota steering wheel off to see If the splines will accept the E body soup can.




what did you do about the big plastic boxey mass that houses the key, hazards, wiper and turn signal switches???

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I plan on using everything I can. The entire harness, guages, etc.
That way there is NO wiring mods to make it run.
The Dakota even uses a cable speedo so that's a plus.
Actually the Dakotas had a factory tach optional too.




yes I have a 95 Sport Dak w/ a 5.2. Seems like a lot of work that might not be needed. I'm guessing you'd swap the wheel out? The column is awfully fat. Not sure you could get it in the e-body w/ some cutting.




so today I placed the E body column and the Dakota column side by side and did some measuring. They are identical tube diameter. Overall tube length very close. Shaft is different but easily modified by combining the two or using an intermediate shaft like a 72-93 Dodge 4x4. The upper column and plastic covers etc all work fine. I test fit it into the dash too and only minor trimming to the Dakota plastic covers needed. This will be no problem putting the Dakota column in. Only thing I didn't do yet was pull the Dakota steering wheel off to see If the splines will accept the E body soup can.




what did you do about the big plastic boxey mass that houses the key, hazards, wiper and turn signal switches???




that plastic boxy unit fits just fine. Doesn't look stock for an E body, but does blend in reasonably well. Hoping the E body can and wheel fit right on

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