Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack?
[Re: hellrzr]
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01/06/11 10:34 PM
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DaveRS23
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Before you change/check the coil, try trading that plug wire with the other one like it. I haven't seen many bad coils, but have seen a butt load of bad plug wires.
Let us know how that goes.
Master, again and still
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack?
[Re: DaveRS23]
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01/07/11 09:30 AM
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therocks
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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I agree.Ive seen a bunch of bad wires.A good set is less than 20 bucks.Lots cheaper than a coil pack.Ive replaced only 1 coil pack in the last 10 years on them.Rocky
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack? *more info*
[Re: aduster340]
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01/07/11 05:41 PM
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hellrzr
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DOHC or SOHC? Any codes? Pull the plug and find TDC on #1 and check the mark(s) on the cam gear(s) to see if it's off a tooth. Could be a bad injector, $5 at u-pull. I'd check the codes first.
SOHC, 2.0. No check engine light, and that bothers me to because if it was a mis-fire shouldn't that make the light turn on? I tried the key on-off thing but don't think I did it right, nothing happened anyway. Dumb question but I haven't messed with cars much since my Road Runner got done a few years ago so I'm rusty and I haven't messed with these small motors much in general. At TDC where should the cam gear mark be? At 0? To see it I'm guessing you have to take the belt shroud off right? Maybe it is an injector. While looking at my brothers car I also pulled the plug wires on it while it was running and the spark pattern looked about the same as on my car, if that even means much. Perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree thinking it's electrical. I read somewhere that to check an injector you can put a piece of rubber tubbing against it and you should be able to hear it clicking open and closed if it's working. Is this a valid method of testing them? My folks have a neighbor who has worked on a couple of Neons so maybe I'll bother him this weekend and see what he thinks. Thanks for all the help and keep any ideas I can test this weekend coming please!
Also, does anyone know if there is a pump or something under the passenger side seat. I haven't crawled under it yet but when I turn the key on something hums and then makes noise while the car is running. Almost sounds like a pump but I'm sure the fuel pump would be back by the fuel tank wouldn't it? I guess I'm presuming it's from under the car and not under the seat, sounds too muffled to be from under the seat I think.
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack? *more info*
[Re: hellrzr]
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01/07/11 08:41 PM
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aduster340
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At TDC where should the cam gear mark be? At 0? To see it I'm guessing you have to take the belt shroud off right?
Pull the inspection plug off the front cover. At TDC the mark on the cam gear should line up with the arrow on the rear cover.
Assuming the previous owner didn't pull the bulb, key on, off, on, off and then back on to get the codes. There will always be at least one code, 55, which is end of codes.
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack? *more info*
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01/07/11 10:12 PM
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DaveRS23
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If you said that it runs smooth until you load the engine, that sounds like an ignition issue to me. Internal derangement doesn't come and go.
Have you had the plugs out yet? Pull them and run a compression test. Check the plugs out good, make sure they are okay, and that there is no oil or water in the tubes. Also, smell the plug wire boot to see if any smell electrically burnt. Arching from the boot to the tube is common. It usually happens under load and can be tough to find, but leaves a very distinct smell.
Make sure that the CEL lights up when the key is switched on. If not, then I smell a rat. If so, switch the key on and off 3 times leaving it on the last time. You should get at least a couple of normal codes.
Keep feeding us info and we may just be able to work through this.
If you want to, you can PM me and we can get together on the phone.
Dave
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack? *more info*
[Re: hellrzr]
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01/08/11 09:06 AM
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therocks
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I had one that had a miss under load.Changed plugs and it was good.The wierdest thing was I put Champions in and it still did it.Customer insisted that I install plugs from Mopar.Bought a set even though they were Champions and the miss stopped.Was really wierd.Rocky
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack? *more info*
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01/09/11 09:40 PM
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DaveRS23
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The cam or crank sensor will not make them miss in my experience. A weak sensor may quit once in a while especially when it warms up, but usually not cause a miss.
Remember that this is a lost spark type of system. The plug fires every time the piston comes up, on compression AND exhaust. Number 1 and number 4 fire together and 2 and 3 fire together. So there is no control for each individual cylinder. Knowing this makes it much easier to track down a miss that is unique to 1 cylinder.
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Re: Testing a 1995 neon coil pack? *more info*
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01/10/11 10:37 PM
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DaveRS23
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Your Neon is OBDII so the scan tool will work. If you have a current problem that the computer detects it will set the CEL lite. Even if everything is good to go you should get a code 55 (end of codes) and usually a code 12 (battery disconnect within 50 start cycles).
Is the miss intermittent or does a specific cylinder drop out? Figuring that out will help a lot. Can you put on the emergency brake and block the tires so that you can load the engine and duplicate the miss at rest?
Master, again and still
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