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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: FJ5_Fish] #897582 01/12/11 01:18 PM 01/12/11 01:18 PM
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b54406barrel master B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,054 USA	On the my rr, I know my dealership & I think it's still there on Chestnut in Fort Bragg, CA. So, on a sales bank car, did the so # come from the dealer too? I just thought it was a plant number. I wondered if sales bank cars were ordered by the dealer or CP just said 'here, take this'. That made more sense to me since they would have received my '70 when the '71's were due any day.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: b54406barrel] #897583 01/12/11 02:54 PM 01/12/11 02:54 PM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	Good question. I would only be guessing but I would suspect a sales bank car would have factory SO numbers. Barry?

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: FJ5_Fish] #897584 01/12/11 10:44 PM 01/12/11 10:44 PM
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Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,662 Hamtramck, PA	Y16 cars had SO / VONs assigned at the factory. If a dealership ordered a car for stock it would have the number from that page of the order pad. There are exceptions. One as an example would be a 999 paint car, the number from the pad would have been superceded by a new number with a letter prefix.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #897585 01/13/11 09:35 PM 01/13/11 09:35 PM
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b54406barrel master B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,054 USA	Quote: Y16 cars had SO / VONs assigned at the factory. If a dealership ordered a car for stock it would have the number from that page of the order pad. There are exceptions. One as an example would be a 999 paint car, the number from the pad would have been superceded by a new number with a letter prefix. So, the order number isn't really all that useful. I wonder if the plant number 162... on my tag was for rr's, all 'b' bodies, or all cars made at the plant? Hmmmm

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: b54406barrel] #897586 01/13/11 10:28 PM 01/13/11 10:28 PM
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Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,662 Hamtramck, PA	That answer is no. Order pads had sequential numbers, but the order forms were for only one type of car in most cases, so the last six numbers can & do repeat across model lines with no relation at all to the other models. I know of 1970 Barracudas & Challengers with 162xxx numbers also.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #897587 01/14/11 01:45 AM 01/14/11 01:45 AM
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SCATPK master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,570 San Francisco Ca	My gtx is from the Los Angeles plant as well and also no build sheet to be found. I do have the certi card and it has the vin, paint code, trim info and some other numbers on it. I will take a picture and post it. Here is a picture of my fender tag I recently took. 6416643-DSC01745.JPG (118 downloads)

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #897588 01/14/11 03:35 PM 01/14/11 03:35 PM
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b54406barrel master B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,054 USA	Quote: That answer is no. Order pads had sequential numbers, but the order forms were for only one type of car in most cases, so the last six numbers can & do repeat across model lines with no relation at all to the other models. I know of 1970 Barracudas & Challengers with 162xxx numbers also. Well, now i know what that number means, anyway. Thank you!

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: b54406barrel] #897589 01/15/11 10:56 AM 01/15/11 10:56 AM
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gomangoRTSE OP pro stock G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky	Its a shame that most of the LA built cars came with no build sheet as they are "holy grails" at times when values and documentation are a premium in our hobby. I do think "by and large" these cars were located more prevelantly in the Western states and therefore a little more rust free. Now Ive seen it mentioned here that floor panels may be a little different than other plants? Seems I have heard this before, but I dont know if its accurate. My car is up on a rotisserie now and I am lucky to have superb floor boards. California cars had that piece of metal behind the passenger side wheel wheel that bolted on where your return lines were near. I had a picture awhile back that showed this and I "believe" not sure that it protected the thing that the lines went thru. I can picture it in my mind but cant explain it. Sorry for the clumsiness. Im sure someone will have a pic. Perhaps Challenger1 will have it. Even today I keep the pics of his excellent car where his lines go to and from the rear. I need to buy that extra vapor return line. I think I have many of his pics on backup file. I lost my storage on my old laptop.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897590 01/17/11 08:49 PM 01/17/11 08:49 PM
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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897591 01/18/11 02:38 PM 01/18/11 02:38 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: Now Ive seen it mentioned here that floor panels may be a little different than other plants? Seems I have heard this before, but I dont know if its accurate. My car is up on a rotisserie now and I am lucky to have superb floor boards. California cars had that piece of metal behind the passenger side wheel wheel that bolted on where your return lines were near. I had a picture awhile back that showed this and I "believe" not sure that it protected the thing that the lines went thru. I can picture it in my mind but cant explain it. Sorry for the clumsiness. I'll check my one LA car's floor vs. my Hamtrack cars later tonight. The plate you are talking about is behind the passenger side wheel well. It unique to 1970 California cars. It protects the EVAP lines. The plate changed in 1971 to a different design.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897592 01/18/11 02:39 PM 01/18/11 02:39 PM
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willard member W Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 106 Poland	The ECS vent lines shield:

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: willard] #897593 01/19/11 08:11 PM 01/19/11 08:11 PM
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gomangoRTSE OP pro stock G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky	Can someone else post some pics of this ECS vent shield in place. Im sorry I cant get much out of the earlier pics.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897594 01/19/11 10:40 PM 01/19/11 10:40 PM
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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #897595 01/19/11 10:41 PM 01/19/11 10:41 PM
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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #897596 01/19/11 11:40 PM 01/19/11 11:40 PM
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gomangoRTSE OP pro stock G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky	Ah yes thanks for the larger pic Barry. Appreciate it as I can see much better. Now this shield has two bolt holes in front that attach it to the rear of the fenderwhell opening. I seem to remember seeing two holes. Was this attached with screws that were six sided, or with a phillips head, or what? In the pic there also seems to be perhaps one screw not attached to the frame?

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897597 01/20/11 03:06 AM 01/20/11 03:06 AM
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redwrydr member R Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 155 Northern California	I have an LA built 70 Cuda...no build sheet, I was so bummed as I was looking in all the places, and then I read this thread and felt a little better, probably never had one. Not sure if this matters to anyone, but I thought it was cool, this mark was by the driver headlight and I saved it when I had the car painted...and because of this mark (and some thoughts from Moparts folks) I kept it this color..I think my painter thought I was nuts when I told him to mask this off and not touch it... http://img196.imageshack.us/i/img1227nx.jpg/

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: redwrydr] #897598 01/20/11 03:30 AM 01/20/11 03:30 AM
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redwrydr member R Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 155 Northern California	A pic of the LA Cuda fender tag...I thought it was different that it had another tag upside down instead of next to it...anyone else seen that done? By redwrydr at 2011-01-19

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897599 01/20/11 03:34 AM 01/20/11 03:34 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,485 So Cal	Quote: Ah yes thanks for the larger pic Barry. Appreciate it as I can see much better. Now this shield has two bolt holes in front that attach it to the rear of the fenderwhell opening. I seem to remember seeing two holes. Was this attached with screws that were six sided, or with a phillips head, or what? In the pic there also seems to be perhaps one screw not attached to the frame? Troy probably will remember. His 70 T/A was ECS. I think the picture above is his FT6 car and his restoration/detailing work??

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: autoxcuda] #897600 01/20/11 04:54 AM 01/20/11 04:54 AM
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willard member W Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 106 Poland	I asked Barry a couple of weeks ago about that 3rd attachment point for the ECS shield and he said there was no third screw. The shield was fastened with only 2 by the wheel well. In my car it was like on the pictures and I was also looking for the third screw. Last edited by willard; 01/20/11 11:40 AM.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: willard] #897601 01/20/11 05:22 AM 01/20/11 05:22 AM
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sixpaktoogo mopar S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California	The ECS shielding is actually two pieces - the one shown in the above photos, along with a small trough that goes through the frame rail. There are three screws - two that attach the main shield to the wheel well, and a third, that attaches the trough to the main piece. The screws are the same as the ones used on the gas filler tube seal or the washer bottle.

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