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LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. #897542
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Im gonna keep the post active for a bit as an owner of a LA built car, and a guy who want more input from anyone willing give it.

Seems like there have always been a plethra of documentation surrounding the Hamtramck cars. There were more made, more remaining, and they seem to have much more documentation to them in general such as build sheets etc.

We LA built car owners have less going for us, and I would like to find out more in general.

Lots of pics and info relating to inspection marks from the factory from front end to rear axle for Hamtrack cars, but are we to assume the colors, placement, and marks are the same on California cars?? If you have pics post them.

ECS systems were in place on the California cars in 1970, a year earlier than other mfg plants. And what other specific items and options were available exclusively to LA built cars?

Do you know what dealers LA cars went to? Is it correct to assume only the western part of the U.S.A.? I would like to hear any stories, or pics of dealer screw on or stick on IDs.

Anything in general about LA built cars and their documentations etc?

My RT/SE car was made in October of 1969 (NOE)serial#114### and there are decals on the windows where it spent years at Nellis Air Force base in Las Vegas Nevada. For at least 6 yrs it was owned by a person stationed there. As is usually the case, no build sheet.

Lets see what we can do to find out more about our LA built cars.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897543
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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897544
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I've parted out a lot of LA cars but that was a long time ago

One difference that I have heard of is that LA cars did not install the screw for the rare exhaust bracket - they just glued it in

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897545
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ECS systems were in place on the California cars in 1970, a year earlier than other mfg plants. And what other specific items and options were available exclusively to LA built cars?




Not all LA built '70 cars have ECS. ECS was required for all cars to be registered in the state of California. All assembly plants built ECS vehicles. The only OPTIONs I can think of that were NOT available on LA built cars are HEMI & sunroof. LA built cars were SOLD NEW or built to order for dealerships as far east as Pennsylvannia & Mayland (but I would think all 50 states recieved new cars from LA). In '70 LA was the only plant to build 3 different body platforms (A, B & E-bodies).

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897546
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I would say a sub assembly like a rear end would be the same....the plant or vendor that supplied these put all the ID marks on them per specs for identification.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: 6bblgt] #897547
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ECS systems were in place on the California cars in 1970, a year earlier than other mfg plants. And what other specific items and options were available exclusively to LA built cars?




Not all LA built '70 cars have ECS. ECS was required for all cars to be registered in the state of California. All assembly plants built ECS vehicles. The only OPTIONs I can think of that were NOT available on LA built cars are HEMI & sunroof. LA built cars were SOLD NEW or built to order for dealerships as far east as Pennsylvannia & Mayland (but I would think all 50 states recieved new cars from LA). In '70 LA was the only plant to build 3 different body platforms (A, B & E-bodies).




I concur, I see a ton of Y14 cars and my car did not have ECS.


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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897548
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same here ....my car was built nov 69 U0E 114703... ..other car 9-1969 GOE 107828

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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: magnum440] #897549
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same here ....my car was built nov 69 U0E 114703... ..other car 9-1969 GOE 107828



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Mine was NOE 114101 built in Oct. Has anyone found any markings on their LA cars?

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: magnum440] #897550
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N95 meant Evaporative Emission Control (ECS) for the 1970 model year.

N95 meant Nitrous Oxide Emissions Control for the 1971 model year.

They are not the same.

LA was a much smaller plant than Hamtramck, so they built fewer cars. They also had a 'no trash' policy, so paper items like broadcast sheets were to be pulled & tossed out. Not all of them were, so you still have to search all the normal places to know if you have one or more.

Late in the 1970 model year all E-body orders were evidenty transfered to Hamtramck, this is why we see the occasional Western Sport Special Challenger from there when they were originally all supposed to be LA built cars.

I have seen dealer invoices for LA cars delivered as far away as Wisconsin & Illinois. A fair amount of them were sent to southern states as far away as Texas & they shipped cars to Hawaii & Alaska as well.

If anyone has any dealership invoices for 1970 LA cars, I would love to see scans or photocopies.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #897551
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I'm not certain of all the details of the noise reduction package but was that a Ca deal only?

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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897552
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My car is also LA built (dec 19) JS29N0E 127xxx. Unfortunately no evidence of buildsheet or any factory markings as car had the surface rust on the underbody.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: willard] #897553
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I have a few (and owned quite a few over the years) LA built E-bodies; including one with a broadcast sheet. Markings on most components vary and are similar to the markings as seen on Dodge Main cars.

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: willard] #897554
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My car is also LA built (dec 19) JS29N0E 127xxx. Unfortunately no evidence of buildsheet or any factory markings as car had the surface rust on the underbody.




I also have a JS29N0E survivor, with a very nice undercarriage. SPD was Dec 18, and I have searched in futility for a broadcast sheet as well.
One of the more obvious differences I see in LA cars was the use of black dip primer instead of the usual gray.
Here's a link to some detail pics of the markings on the 3.55 rear of this car.
http://rogergibsonautorestoration.com/1970383Challenger_RD.htm

Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: rm23j8g] #897555
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Almost all the bells and whistles, but no N95.

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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897557
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I've heard that some of the LA sheet metal was supplied by a closer vendor, so there are some very minor differences in the ribbing on the floor pans, etc. This probably applies to vendors of other parts also.

I think this is going to be a good thread!

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Only shot from under my '70 rr I can find. Don't remember what the entire mark looks like in the middle. Besides the 2 white partials there, there is yellow stencil on front of axle tube, drivers side, I think. On the pass side (I think) right at the backing plate there's a plastic or maybe paper tag wrapped around the tube, too dirty to read, if it had anything on it. One thing I've noticed on restored cars is under the trunk lid. They always have an 'x' or tire size in some type of marker and the jack instructions are perfectly located. There are no marks under my trunk & the label was off center & rotated clockwise maybe 20 degrees crooked. Car is stored for winter but I'm putting on new seat covers & going through the engine /trans this Spring. I'll look for more marks & such.



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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: b54406barrel] #897559
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If I remember correctly, some years ago there was a website dedicated to LA build Mopars, but what has happened to it???

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Intereting topic. My car is a N1E110333 LA built FC7 car. Most solid body I have ever had!

I will check the build date, but from memory it was in late September 1970. I thought mine did not have the emissions stuff but it did have turn downs and was a sales bank car. I will need to check my tag when I get home tonight.

I would love more info on the LA cars. In the early 80's my car was titled in CA and the holder was a guy in Portland. Weird!


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Re: LA built cars, lets find out more, More info needed. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #897561
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I read in a post from here years ago that a guy went into the Ford plant in LA and it was clean and looked like a well run operation, then he visited the Chrysler plant and it was a dump in comparison IIRC. My 69 RR is LA built. June build date. I could not find a buildsheet. Car had a Pennzoil oil change sticker stuck to drivers door near the latch. It was dated from 1984 and address of the garage was in Whittier CA. So my car was likely CA. sold and possibly was in LA up until the mid 80's. It really sucks that we cannot do a Title search and find previous owners and get some history on our cars.

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