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Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: Hessu] #896448 01/08/11 09:39 PM 01/08/11 09:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada mac56 super stock
mac56 super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	Quote: with steel caps and girdle... and little NOS Define little NOS

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: Hessu] #896449 01/02/12 09:20 PM 01/02/12 09:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE B bigtail mopar
bigtail mopar B Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE	That almmost looks photoshopped. This page is made up completely of recycled electrons.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bigtail] #896450 01/03/12 12:47 AM 01/03/12 12:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	Quote: That almmost looks photoshopped. what makes you say that? looks real to me and you don't want to get that dye on you i can tell you that

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: jamesc] #896451 01/03/12 01:08 AM 01/03/12 01:08 AM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 321 jonestown,pa D dmking enthusiast
dmking enthusiast D Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 321 jonestown,pa	well i got the mancini 3/4 girdle with billet caps. i split my 73 block now i am using the same parts in a 78 6630-440 block with the thicker mains and wide supports. if i brake it i will report but looking at the differences in the two blocks it has to be stronger by its self. the girdle is a nice piece also. i just opened the box today. tomorrow we mag the block and i am bottom tapping the main and pan rail holes for depth and it is going back to gether.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #896452 01/03/12 06:30 AM 01/03/12 06:30 AM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 461 Hinterland SE Qld Aust S SG duster mopar
SG duster mopar S Joined: May 2009 Posts: 461 Hinterland SE Qld Aust	Quote: Save your money and get a aftermarket block. Has anybody used one and stopped block failure because of it? put it this way Iv never heard of a block failing because of one

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: SG duster] #896453 01/04/12 02:28 AM 01/04/12 02:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 771 Btween a rock and a hard place moparlulu super stock
moparlulu super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 771 Btween a rock and a hard place	Quote: Quote: Save your money and get a aftermarket block. Has anybody used one and stopped block failure because of it? put it this way Iv never heard of a block failing because of one The main reason I bought a kit from Greg was to help with the cap walk issues. It did stop that! No more signs at all! Money well spent for me. Thanks Greg

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: moparlulu] #896454 01/04/12 10:08 AM 01/04/12 10:08 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279 bcrproducts super gas
bcrproducts super gas Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279	The Chenoweth racing engines deal fell through and is a bad memory at this point. Jerry from Superior design concepts is now making the BCRproducts line. There was some minor tweeking of the prototypes that we worked out so the setup will be available very soon. Call Jerry fro information (248) 256-1143. Hopefully he will pipe in and give us an update. Thanks for your patience guys!! Greg--BCRproducts

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896455 01/05/12 03:16 PM 01/05/12 03:16 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Anybody have any experience with the 440Source girdle kit? LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: StealthWedge67] #896456 01/05/12 07:25 PM 01/05/12 07:25 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama Mopar-Al master
Mopar-Al master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama	Quote: Anybody have any experience with the 440Source girdle kit? I have installed 3 of them so far not an issue. 1 has aluminum mains, 1 has steel and the other is stock mains. I figure if anything breaks, I am going with an aftermarket block next time anyways. So I'm just not going to get all up and worried about it. Easy to install, seals well. just get your spacing right with your washer shims. Used on 4.375 crank, 4.25 and 4.15 both aluminum and steel rods. I give up baby setting a 40 yr old block. If it goes, then as I said. Aftermarket from there on.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896457 01/06/12 01:42 AM 01/06/12 01:42 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279 bcrproducts super gas
bcrproducts super gas Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279	Quote: The Chenoweth racing engines deal fell through and is a bad memory at this point. Jerry from Superior design concepts is now making the BCRproducts line. There was some minor tweeking of the prototypes that we worked out so the setup will be available very soon. Call Jerry fro information (248) 256-1143. Hopefully he will pipe in and give us an update. Thanks for your patience guys!! Greg--BCRproducts Talked to Jerry today and he says shipments will be going out in two weeks. Greg

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896458 01/06/12 02:02 AM 01/06/12 02:02 AM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 782 wine country 8 8urvette super stock
8urvette super stock 8 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 782 wine country	not to hi-jack- but how does everyone seal the girlde to the block? i bought mine from mancini i think a few years ago. and it always seeps oil from between it and the block. i just used sealer. i was told once to use a gasket between it and the block but that seems counter intuitive to its purpose.... if i am supposed to shim the girle to the caps then why would i put a soft gasket in-between? how would i shim that? Last edited by 8urvette; 01/06/12 04:28 AM.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: 8urvette] #896459 01/06/12 01:22 PM 01/06/12 01:22 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279 bcrproducts super gas
bcrproducts super gas Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279	Quote: not to hi-jack- but how does everyone seal the girlde to the block? i bought mine from mancini i think a few years ago. and it always seeps oil from between it and the block. i just used sealer. i was told once to use a gasket between it and the block but that seems counter intuitive to its purpose.... if i am supposed to shim the girle to the caps then why would i put a soft gasket in-between? how would i shim that? That is why we designed ours the way it is. Much more integraly strong with less sandwich effect. Here is a hint. Just use Permatex grey as a sealant no gasket at all except on the pan. You will never go back to regular silicone again. Greg

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896460 01/06/12 02:52 PM 01/06/12 02:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 321 jonestown,pa D dmking enthusiast
dmking enthusiast D Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 321 jonestown,pa	we are currently doing a mancini also and when done i am taking it that the girdle will be a couple of thousants above the pan rail when done. a gasket would make that not work out. thanks for the permatex grey idea. i will look for it.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bigtail] #896461 01/25/12 03:03 AM 01/25/12 03:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE B bigtail mopar
bigtail mopar B Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 489 NE	Quote: That almmost looks photoshopped. I didn't mean to imply it was a faked image. I have never seen a cracked block before. It just looked strange. Sorry for the misunderstanding. This page is made up completely of recycled electrons.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896462 01/25/12 05:04 AM 01/25/12 05:04 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Quote: The Chenoweth racing engines deal fell through and is a bad memory at this point. Jerry from Superior design concepts is now making the BCRproducts line. There was some minor tweeking of the prototypes that we worked out so the setup will be available very soon. Call Jerry fro information (248) 256-1143. Hopefully he will pipe in and give us an update. Thanks for your patience guys!! Greg--BCRproducts What did you have to change on them? They seemed great to start with. Also, for those that think they are too expensive, price out the cost of billet main caps, plus a girdle, plus all the fasteners. Mancini sells a kit for about $100 less, but is not as nice as the BCR. It does not even allow for an internal oil pickup?

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #896463 01/25/12 01:18 PM 01/25/12 01:18 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada D Diablo super stock
Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	Quote: I would like to here from someone that had a high horsepower stock block, the block failed in the main web area, redid a stock block this time with a girdle and and no problem. Yes cylinder wall thickness is a concern and problem. We use aluminum caps and hard block with good results.You need to know the limits of a stock block and know when not use one, thats all I am trying to point out. It does seem like the low decks do better than the RB block in this area. Built a 800hp 496ci engine and cracked a cylinder wall at the end of the first season. The block was stock with alum caps and alum rods. The next block we did we filled, alum caps, alum rods, and a girdle. Lasted 4 hard seasons with the hp lvl's closer to 850-900..... Then a rod decided to let go and put a nice hole in the block. I feel the cement was what made the block that much stronger but the girdle must have helped. I say the first engine set up was with nearly the weakest set up except for alum caps and the second build was the strongest with keeping a stock block. If I ever buildt another engine in the 800-900hp range I would try and go with a aftermarket block for sure. So much safer in the long run!

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: 451Mopar] #896464 01/26/12 09:54 AM 01/26/12 09:54 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279 bcrproducts super gas
bcrproducts super gas Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,279	Quote: Quote: The Chenoweth racing engines deal fell through and is a bad memory at this point. Jerry from Superior design concepts is now making the BCRproducts line. There was some minor tweeking of the prototypes that we worked out so the setup will be available very soon. Call Jerry fro information (248) 256-1143. Hopefully he will pipe in and give us an update. Thanks for your patience guys!! Greg--BCRproducts What did you have to change on them? They seemed great to start with. Also, for those that think they are too expensive, price out the cost of billet main caps, plus a girdle, plus all the fasteners. Mancini sells a kit for about $100 less, but is not as nice as the BCR. It does not even allow for an internal oil pickup? We just tweaked some cosmetic stuff like radiused corners etc so that handling the parts is easier.. The product will be exactly the same. Greg

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896465 01/26/12 10:58 AM 01/26/12 10:58 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	Quote: Tom good hearing from you. You are right we are trying to do the best with what some of us have. The Aftermarket block is just not always possible logistically or financially. There are lots of guys that have a machine shop sponsor and this setup works great for them. There are lots of guys with nitrous street motors that this setup works great on. Then there are us drag race guys. I raced my Cuda with the same OEM block and aluminum main caps for a dozen years with no reline bore. In fact it is still together in my shop albeit I have not raced for several years. That motor went 9.20s at 146 with ported cast iron 915 heads that I still have and went 9.0s at 150 with ported stock size window Eddy's. My goal is to run high 8s with the same motor 452 and run low 8.s with a new 510 inch that I am building with the same port window Eddy's As far as I know there was not a faster OEM stock stroke block OEM head car out there for at least a ten year period. That motor was NA no boosters. Greg What chassis and weight were you at running those times................? 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: moparniac] #896466 01/26/12 11:59 AM 01/26/12 11:59 AM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 446 oregon S savoyracer mopar
savoyracer mopar S Joined: May 2007 Posts: 446 oregon	Quote: Im curious to see a girdled block that did have block failure? just curious as I cant ever recall seeing a post on here or someone posted pics of a split block or anything when it had a girlde on! not saying they aint out there just curious if anyone had it happen ............Yep! had no problems breaking one.......BCR aluminum caps, hard blocked to the bottoms of the soft plugs, and a girdle, [can't remember the manufacturer right now], Car ran 9.75, at 138, car weighed 3300 lbs. never dynoed it, so you would have to use the formulas to figure the HP, engine lasted about 150 1/8th mile runs, and 20-30 1/4 mile passes, pulled it apart last winter to freshen, and discovered the block broken in several places, on the main webs. had a machine shop build a new one without all the crap, just used a good later model 440 block with the thicker castings, steel caps, and no girdle or hard block, have about 100 runs into this motor so far, it is actually faster, runs 6teens, 111mph, in the 1/8th mile, so far no problems, but I have not torn it down either. I do have a very nice girdle just sitting here, can look up the manufacturer if anyone is interested, I won't go that route again.

Re: RB main girdle ?????? [Re: bcrproducts] #896467 01/26/12 04:12 PM 01/26/12 04:12 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,131 Thigh-Gap Junction @ @#$%&*! New user name, Same old jerk!
@#$%&*! New user name, Same old jerk! @ Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,131 Thigh-Gap Junction	Quote: We just tweaked some cosmetic stuff like radiused corners etc so that handling the parts is easier.. The product will be exactly the same. Greg I'd lose the deep counter-sink for the front two holes. Studding the girdle to the timing cover doesn't contribute anything to strength but it does a good job of capturing the timing cover requiring removal of the oil pan to adjust camshaft phasing. DAMHIK

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