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Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads #896388
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Whats the deal with the Max Wedge heads Mopar Performance is selling, P5007494 and P5249824. They seem pretty cheap. Do they flow as well as the original Max Wedge heads? Do they need tons of work before you can use them? Tell me what you know.


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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: GTX MATT] #896389
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How much have you seen them for? I can't recall the casting # off the top of my head, but I bought a set of bare Stage II castings @ the local dealer at least 8-9 years ago for about $600 a pair.

At the time, they offered a couple different versions. (With and without rocker stands cast in.)

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The 494s are $650 each, NHRA legal and have 2.08/1.88 valves, the 824s are 2.14/1.81 and not NHRA legal, and $660 each. I'm not sure what else is different between the two, but they both apparently have the cast pedestals and I know the 494s are revised for 6 bolt valve covers and the ports are apparently also revised, although I'm not sure in what way.

It sure seems cheap for heads that flow 300 CFM. I know they're not the best ports compared to what the aftermarket offers now from a flow vs size standpoint, but they do work. How did yours work for you? Did they need any real work?

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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: GTX MATT] #896391
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Call Dwyane Porter, I'm pretty certain he has had a set or two thru the shop. He will let you know the real deal.


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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: GTX MATT] #896392
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It sure seems cheap for heads that flow 300 CFM.



Where did you come up w/ that flow #? IIRC, "stock" MW heads were more like 240-260 CFM. Or are you talking about w/ porting?

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They were retooled circa mid 2007 along with many other items. Compared to the prev. generation that had super rough, very small ports....these new ones are much smoother, larger and much closer to oe max wedge stuff.

The chambers appear to be coming through on the small side
(77-78cc), so if they need to be nhra legal, plan on a little work in that area. Kind of nice to leave them alone for a 440-452 street/strip deal with a flat top, though.

300 seems like kind of a stretch, but is probably do-able? I'm sure the prototypes were flow tested but somehow that data was never dropped into my lap.


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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: BradH] #896394
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It sure seems cheap for heads that flow 300 CFM.



Where did you come up w/ that flow #? IIRC, "stock" MW heads were more like 240-260 CFM. Or are you talking about w/ porting?




I'd like to know where that number came from also ...


Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: ZIPPY] #896395
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They were retooled circa mid 2007 along with many other items. Compared to the prev. generation that had super rough, very small ports....these new ones are much smoother, larger and much closer to oe max wedge stuff.

The chambers appear to be coming through on the small side
(77-78cc), so if they need to be nhra legal, plan on a little work in that area. Kind of nice to leave them alone for a 440-452 street/strip deal with a flat top, though.

300 seems like kind of a stretch, but is probably do-able? I'm sure the prototypes were flow tested but somehow that data was never dropped into my lap.




Would be nice to know what they flow OOTB. Alot of the MP that gets redesigned ends up better but not always. I'd love to see a set and see what they are capable of. Do you have any pics Rich?
Brian


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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: ZIPPY] #896396
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They were retooled circa mid 2007 along with many other items. Compared to the prev. generation that had super rough, very small ports....these new ones are much smoother, larger and much closer to oe max wedge stuff.

The chambers appear to be coming through on the small side
(77-78cc), so if they need to be nhra legal, plan on a little work in that area. Kind of nice to leave them alone for a 440-452 street/strip deal with a flat top, though.

300 seems like kind of a stretch, but is probably do-able? I'm sure the prototypes were flow tested but somehow that data was never dropped into my lap.





It's a good thing they got retooled as the original intent was to provide a viable alterative for stocker racers and the castings were so rough that they weren't really useable in stock. Not as much of a problem in SS as they can port them hard and fix a lot of casting stuff. I'd love to see the revised castings or get some info on them as well.


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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: Brian Hafliger] #896397
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Here are some pictures of the new casting Max Wedge heads.












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It sure seems cheap for heads that flow 300 CFM.



Where did you come up w/ that flow #? IIRC, "stock" MW heads were more like 240-260 CFM. Or are you talking about w/ porting?




I'd like to know where that number came from also ...






The only flow sheet I've ever seen for a Max Wedge head peaked at 300 at .700 lift, I had simply assumed no work was done to them but judging by your reactions I would assume they must have had some work done.

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Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Here are some pictures of the new casting Max Wedge heads.
















I'm glad they retooled the head w/o the freeze plug in front. Now they look correct. Just grind off that M after the 518.

Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: JohnRR] #896400
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i just did some testing on a few of these......
i'll check my notes at the shop to see what the numbers actually were......but i can tell you it wasnt 300.....or even that close to 300.


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Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #896401
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How big of a cam did the max wedge motors have?

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'62 413 Maxie had .495 with 300 degrees duration

'63 426 Maxie had a .509 with 300 degrees duration
426-II/426-A had .520 with 300 degrees duration.

'64 426 Maxi had .520 with 300 degrees duration on the 11.0:1 motors and .520 with 320 degrees duration on the 12.5:1 motors.

Re: Mopar Performance Max Wedge Heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #896403
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i just did some testing on a few of these......
i'll check my notes at the shop to see what the numbers actually were......but i can tell you it wasnt 300.....or even that close to 300.




Please post that when you get a chance

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I bought a set of MP MW heads last year and had them flowed.

Head & Valve Size/Valve Lift> .200 .300 .400 .500 .600 .700
MP 518M 2.14 Int. Unported 145 202 237 253 268 277
MP 518M 1.81 Ex. Unported 113 152 174 190 200 206

The ports are untouched except for a blending of the valve job into the port. Not stock, but nothing exotic either.


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I believe these are the older castings. There is a "99" on top of the intake ports. I'm assuming this was cast in 1999.

6427073-MW518MHeads011.jpg (1094 downloads)

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I also have a set of old 286 Stage I heads. I had them flowed on another bench (homemade deal calibrated with the Superflow laminar flow element from the dyno). Only the intake was flowed as his rig wasn't setup to flow a Mopar exhaust.

Stage I 2.08 Int. Mild Port 134.5 190.5 227 257 280 289


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Thanks. Numbers seem real comparable to an OEM MW head, like they should be.

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